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If you walk into Wal-Mart and you steal a pack of gum, you could say the same thing. "Oh they are making so much money, they wont even notice it." And you know what? They wont, but it is still stealing. When you steal a video or a song, it might not make a huge impact on the money they made, but its still stealing. |
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if you're comparing copyright infringement with sealing physical goods |
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If you been making sandwiches for 30 years, and finally perfected your ability, and sold a unique sandwich which no one else sells, and you sold that to someone and they went out and they cloned it and gave it out to their friends. Well thats stealing, and its wrong! |
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I agree that intellectual property is real property. If it wasn't, then people wouldn't be responsible for what they say or write, which makes no sense. However, let's not confuse 'real' IP with government-enforced IP. The real version of IP should wear off as soon as the IP itself has been culturally disseminated. For example, I believe Mickey Mouse is still technically owned by Disney, but that's really silly to think of, considering how integrated that character is into modern culture. |
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Well as long as the person who created it is alive, I believe there is no doubt that they still own it. I don't think you can really debate it, when they are alive and well. Though even then people should be able to pass things onto their children and stuff. And if that is ok for a single person, then it should apply to a group of people working together as well, which is what a company is. |
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Even having IP expire upon the person's death is way shorter than the span you get in most countries. |
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Its because its property and has a value. If you put time and energy into making something, it belongs to you. Its not fair if you spend your life writing the greatest book ever written then when you die other people make money off of your work, when your wish is that your children makes the money. You created it, you should get to decide. |
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We are not talking about public domain. If you illegally take something and treat it as public domain property, that doesn't make it public domain. Only the creator of something can give up the rights to it. |
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No, but you said people should be able to make money off of something as long as they choose. But you also seemed to agree with the current IP law, which makes everything public domain after a certain period of time has passed. So which is it, do people get to own IP forever or not? |
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Alric, I think you're missing the point here |
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Actually in my first post I said you probably wouldn't get caught. I never said it was something easy to enforce. I am only say what is right and what is wrong, and its wrong to steal things made by other people. What you are basically saying is that you don't give a crap what happens to others people property. Its not all about business either. |
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Its so people don't take credit for other peoples work, shortly after they die. |
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Its because its all connected. It doesn't matter if your making money off of it or not, you are stealing from that person. When you claim something that doesn't belong to you, that is stealing. When you say, "I don't care if you made this song, it now belong to me." You are stealing. |
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You are using it without permission. Its like going over to your neighbors pool and going for a swim without his person. Or breaking into his home and watching his TV without his permission. |
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Oh, so I'm going over to the musician's house and forcing him to play at gunpoint? |
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Don't be stupid. The example I gave is actually the perfect example. Breaking into someones home while they are not there and watching their TV, is pretty much the same thing as illegally downloading their music and listening to it. |
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Oh, so it's wrong to make a copy of the person's tv and watch the copy in a copy of their house? |
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No, it isn't anything like that. We are talking about peoples right to own their idea and thoughts. Its nothing like copying their TV. If you want to use that example, it would be like breaking into someones house and making a copy of something personal. |
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Music which is being sold (and performed) to the public is hardly personal. |
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Last edited by RedfishBluefish; 02-06-2009 at 11:44 AM.
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