Thread: US Marine Throws Puppy Over Cliff

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Those are not the only two perspectives that can be gained from the video. An example of another would be "How do people, who have the same disregard for 'upper lifeforms' affect our lives?"

To ask yourself this question, is to open an entire universe of possibly negative answers.

This disregard for puppies is nothing compared to the tragedies of murder in war. This is hardly a demonstration of the most depravity of our soldiers. I grew up on the barracks and come from a long line of army in my blood and this is nothing compared to the other shit that happens in war.. So, I can't help but feel that there is always ugly things during war.

Now if I saw a regular everyday child throwing their puppy off a cliff, then I might twinge a little more.

It's true that what these soldiers do have no direct impact on our lives, but - more fundamentally - the mindset that these soldiers display (having excuses for belittling the experiences and/or deaths of other creatures) is what infects millions of other humans and affects our lives on a daily basis.

Yeah, it's true that this can be derived from a destructive and sociopathic personality. However, again, it's a different context considering they are in war anyway. Killing a puppy ain't so bad compared to raping a family, now is it? Now we can step in and say, "They are both bad and both exhibit a bad behaviour" and this is where you must remember where they are and what they are doing. "That's no excuse for that behaviour" is not going to quell them from acting violent. The simple bottom line is - don't be surprised that a soldier throws a puppy off a cliff. Be surprised and upset when your child does.

Not necessarily true. A troll does what he does because he intends to cause such stir. This marine might not have really thought he was doing anything that would have been as ill-received as it was. Doing it "for attention" doesn't always mean the perpetrator got the sort of attention he was intending. "Publicity" and "negative publicity" are two different things. They might accomplish a mutual goal - making you more well-known - but to what cost?

Well, there was a camera. I don't know how to tell if it was for attention or not but joking infront of others while on cam is certainly asking for attention to some degree. It's there. Nothing compared to a troll's desire for attention, but it's there.

I somewhat agree with this. Though I appreciate the knowledge that comes from seeing these types of events, I'm not completely ignorant to how the media's showcasing of them paves the way for copycats. I'm pretty much on the fence about this one. I can't say that I've weighed both sides of the coin to a degree where I'm comfortable with saying whether the media should or should not tell us about occurrences such as this. I am comfortable in my indecision on the matter, though.

I think we agree on the whole matter really.

Let's be honest, if we saw the guy, we'd likely both do the same thing, *Facepalm*

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I don't see why this is in SB. This is serious business, guise.

Oh my god! Where can I find this guy!?...

Sucks that he got discharged. He may have gotten blown in half or something.

He needs to be thrown off a cliff.

He is probably a sick monster who joined the army for the purposes of killing other humans without getting into trouble.

He is probably a sick monster who joined the army for the purpose of throwing puppies off cliffs without getting into trouble.

Mistake #1: You made it a video.

Does anyone that's crying over this realize why these marines are there in the first place? Apparently it's a huge fucking tragedy that they killed this puppy but it's ok to shoot bullets with the intention of killing another persons child. I fail to follow that logic.

Originally Posted by SpecialInterests

I fail to follow that logic.

No. You fail to follow the thread.

If you did, you'd realize that their 'reason' for being over there has already been addressed as having nothing to do with this thread, and why throwing around that argument is nothing but a strawman.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

No. You fail to follow the thread.

If you did, you'd realize that their 'reason' for being over there has already been addressed as having nothing to do with this thread, and why throwing around that argument is nothing but a strawman.

Right. Keep sympathizing for the puppy and the puppies family then with the rest of the pathetic grievances. Get real.

Originally Posted by SpecialInterests

Right. Keep sympathizing for the puppy and the puppies family then with the rest of the pathetic grievances. Get real.

You can state the same position as many times as you want, in as many ways as you want. It means nothing in the context of this thread.

What do you want? For us to go off on a tangent about our opposition to the war, or for us to state our praise for the war, and of the soldiers killing other humans? The point is, those opinions are expressed, at length, on other parts of this forum, but not a single one of them has anything to do with the video or this thread.

Either you can realize that, and contribute to the conversation, or go on one of the many other threads where the sentiments you are voicing are already being expressed to continue to outline your point.

Ok. Thank you for clarifying my options for me. I have came to my final conclusion after many moments of strenuous thought and debate that I will contribute to the conversation in a positive, constructive way.

I feel terrible for the puppy. What did the puppy do to the soldiers? He was just an innocent puppy! Did you guys see the face on the puppy right before he was viciously tossed off the cliff? I felt so sorry for him! I hope you guys are keeping the puppy in your prayers. I know I will be sending flowers to the site of this tragic event.

Sorry if my words prior to this post came off as controversial to the topic of his thread. My condolences.

Originally Posted by SpecialInterests

Ok. Thank you for clarifying my options for me. I have came to my final conclusion after many moments of strenuous thought and debate that I will contribute to the conversation in a positive, constructive way.

I feel terrible for the puppy. What did the puppy do to the soldiers? He was just an innocent puppy! Did you guys see the face on the puppy right before he was viciously tossed off the cliff? I felt so sorry for him! I hope you guys are keeping the puppy in your prayers. I know I will be sending flowers to the site of this tragic event.

Sorry if my words prior to this post came off as controversial to the topic of his thread. My condolences.

Unfortunately, your sarcasm comes off as just as hollow as your initial, irrelevant post (seeing as how you seem stuck on making the same point which - still - has nothing to do with this thread).

But hey, thanks for your input.

Don't know if this has been mentioned before or not, as I only really read the first few posts...

I saw this quite a while ago, last summer I believe. Anywhoot, from what I recall, the dog was dying anyway. I mean, he could have shot it, but if they were in an undisclosed location, shooting the dog with an unsilenced gun would have given away their position and wasted ammunition. Granted, it's probably not neccesarry to throw it off a cliff, but come on. What if they gave away their position and that whole crew got wasted by enemy fire?

What then?

Originally Posted by AmazeO XD

Don't know if this has been mentioned before or not, as I only really read the first few posts...

I saw this quite a while ago, last summer I believe. Anywhoot, from what I recall, the dog was dying anyway. I mean, he could have shot it, but if they were in an undisclosed location, shooting the dog with an unsilenced gun would have given away their position and wasted ammunition. Granted, it's probably not neccesarry to throw it off a cliff, but come on. What if they gave away their position and that whole crew got wasted by enemy fire?

What then?

There is a difference between pulling the plug on a comatose patient, to end their life, and making a comedic performance by moving them around on strings like a puppet in front of a crowd before working the pulling of their plug into the act like it's pure entertainment.

Well he is just expressing his opinion on the matter, and his opinion is that there are more serious issues in the world than that one miserable guy throwing off that one puppy.

But one reason why this comparatively small event is important is the psychology behind torturing/killing a helpless living creature. If you can throw a puppy off a cliff just to have a laugh, maybe you'll throw a human child off next. This is the heart of the whole situation, IMO, and the reason why it shouldn't be taken lightly.

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

Well he is just expressing his opinion on the matter, and his opinion is that there are more serious issues in the world than that one miserable guy throwing off that one puppy.

And don't get me wrong - I haven't once said that there is anything wrong with his opinion. In fact, I actually agree with it. My point is that if anyone is going to come onto this thread and (even inadvertently) insult those who have an adverse reaction to this event - while crying about why no one is complaining about the 'more important things' - they will have to contend with the fact that the 'more important things' have nothing to do with this conversation, which is why they weren't brought up here. But they are expressed (by many of the same people who have posted here) on more relevant threads.

Saying that 'there are more important things to think about, concerning the soldiers and the war in Iraq' really has nothing to do with peoples' opinion on this particular act.

I would say that there are more people in the world deserving of being thrown off a cliff in that manner, than there are animals.

And if the dog really was dying, they certainly could have found a much more humane way of taking care of it. And why film it?

Stupid people do stupid things. Coincidence is, he's a marine. Shouldn't be one if you ask me, the marines are soldiers, helping people, keeping peace, looking like heroes, not throwing dogs. They could have shot it, but it would have given away their position, yes. They could have broke it's neck, but why stop there, let's be complete asses and make a group of people look bad because we feel it's fun to torture a dying animal.

Originally Posted by Marvo

I can't begin to express how pathetic you people are. A dying puppy was thrown from a cliff, to its certain death (don't bullshit me, an animal of such a size wouldn't survive any kind huge drop) and you're all throwing a shitfit and going on about how the marines are sick psychopaths. You might aswell go yell at little Timmy who burns ants with his magnifying glass.

Who said the puppy was dying in the first place? That maniacal mother fucker in an attempt to make himself look like less of an ass? The bastard had a great time throwing the dog to it's death, you hear it whelp in the video as it was hurtled through the air, and you see him smile afterwards. That is in my opinion psychopathic. The lest you can do is give it a humane death. As for little Timmy comparison, where does it stop?

Humane - another example of how humans like to project their beliefs on everything around them because they're so self-important. I don't think a dog shares the same beliefs as humans. It probably doesn't care how it dies.

anyways humans are by far the meanest species on this planet, this doesn't surprise me at the least.

Originally Posted by SpecialInterests

Humane - another example of how humans like to project their beliefs on everything around them because they're so self-important. I don't think a dog shares the same beliefs as humans. It probably doesn't care how it dies.

anyways humans are by far the meanest species on this planet, this doesn't surprise me at the least.

So let me ask you something(s) - and answer as honestly as you can:

Have you ever owned a pet?
If you had a dog that was your companion for a decade, and some stranger came along and shot your dog in the head, would you look at your dead dog and say: "Hmmm. Ah well. Dogs die all the time. Hey, I'm hungry...who wants pizza??" (or something along those lines?)

If not, and you can feel even the slightest bit of empathy for the animal, or the slightest bit of loathing for the kind of person that would find fun in killing an animal, then there is a bit of hypocrisy.

And if "what's more important" is all that's important: Would you be ok with the killing of a young sister or brother, if you knew that their death saved the lives of 20 other people? Is that something you'd be willing to just be "fine" with? You state the superiority of "what's more important" as if, in other situations, that concept renders any other 'less important' acts as unworthy of protest.

They are the meanest species because the are really the only species that gets mad... Animals have instincts to protect themselves. If you kick an alligator, it's not going to get pissed on go on his forum and right something wrapped in <rant> </rant>, he's going to sense a threat and bite your leg off to prevent it from happening again. If you go near a Bear's cubs, the mom isn't going to think you look sort of like michael jackson and she doesn't want a child molester near her children, she's going to instinctively scare you away because you're closer to her children then she is, which is a threat.

Originally Posted by SpecialInterests

I don't think a dog shares the same beliefs as humans. It probably doesn't care how it dies.

I don't think assholes have the same beliefs as humans. They probably don't care if there last moments on earth are being hurtled into the air, the sense that you are too far up to come down on your legs, then land and feel the pain as their banes crunch in on themselves, slowly and painfully blocking the lungs and speeding up the heart, until all they can hear is their gasping breathes wasting their time and the speeding beat of the heart as it leads up to death. So let's go out and kill as many as we can, don't worry, they don't mind.