Thread: The Future: What Will It Be Like?

Originally Posted by WakataDreamer

Yes, but America seems increasingly anti-Obama...

This is a trend that a new president comes into office he is to be the savior of sorts, then as his term pans out he seems to follow a similar trail as the last president and anything bad that happens during his term is blamed on him and he becomes the evil-in-office... Then supposedly another "savior" is presented and the cycle repeats over and over and over.... It's because the presidents agenda lies with the ones who paid for his position in office, and usually it's the same people over and over and over.

Originally Posted by MementoMori

It's because the presidents agenda lies with the ones who paid for his position in office, and usually it's the same people over and over and over.

Disagree, it seems to me because people have far too unsophisticated expectations, and expect a saviour of everything, when in reality that can't happen. You get good people progressively making things better little by little. but the majority are impatient and short sighted.

The only way radical quick change for the better could happen to the extent people demand is through like total dictatorship power, which we don't want.

You actually think that little by little, things are getting better at the moment?
Or over the past twenty years? And that there are good guys in charge wanting
to help everyone?

And you're saying that the people are short-sighted and not those 4-year-term
politicians, who obviously only want to get re-elected? I'm confused.

Originally Posted by dajo

You actually think that little by little, things are getting better at the moment?
Or over the past twenty years? And that there are good guys in charge wanting
to help everyone?

And you're saying that the people are short-sighted and not those 4-year-term
politicians, who obviously only want to get re-elected? I'm confused.

Things are significantly better now than they have been for most of the twentieth century. See; world wars, cold war, nuclear standoffs.

Also you're wayyy simplifying everything I said. "You get good people progressively making things better" is not the same as "good guys in charge wanting to help everyone".

I obviously have far more faith in people than you do. I can concieve of a politician wanting to help the world and not just get re-elected. If you think humanity is so far gone that that's impossible, then fair play, but don't bring me down to your awful negativity and hatred of authority.

You're oversimplifying my standpoint as well.

And there is war too right now. And on a global scale things
are getting increasingly heated. So, who knows where that will end.
It's not exactly demilitarization.

There are a billion people starving at the moment, more than ever before.
Ressources are getting increasingly scarce, also due to the huge amount
of consumption - check out the meat industry, it's horrifying in my view.
The most basic needs (food, water) are becoming increasingly problematic
and this doesn't neccessarily have to stay within the underdeveloped countries.

It is next to impossible to have a well informed public debate, because the
media corporations are so very bias in what and how they present which issues.
(I usually mean foreign policies and EU-Law) I see a bad tendency in the
direction the ties between ecnomics and politics are heading anyway. It just
very obviously shows that oh so many decicions are indeed based on
economical interest or lobbyism or the need to get re-elected on the next
term (Which came very well to show during the financial crisis). And so many
countries are basically still circling down the drain, but this is often not admitted.
Are all politicans like that? Certainly not. But more than it would be healthy.
But please, present me with a few politicans, who are right now selflessly
trying to improve things, I would be more than happy to see that you're right.

In my opinion the more recent decisions in the EU (which is basically a
corporatized political body) are reaons for critical debate as well. Not only
the incredibly one sided portrayal of the lissabon treaty, but things like
SWIFT for example. The speed we are distancing ourselves away from a
democracy should be troubelling. (Stuff like that the judges in the EU are
not independently voted into their positions by the peoples, but chosen by
the governments of all institutions. This is a fundamental crack in democracy)

Although I am a very positive person, on the level of global policies, environmental
issues and economics I am not seeing much to be positive about. I am not full of hatred
or just basically opposed to 'authority' or just complaining so that I have something
to complain about, but because I do see major problems at the moment and I think it
could be dangerous if there is an 'everything is just a-ok' consensus in the public,
because we have to be cautious right now, imo.

But don't get me wrong, you are of course absolutely free to have your own
opinion and my intention is not to drag you down or anything, trust me. However
I am genuinly interested in how you think things are improving. I just really
don't see it. But maybe I perceive things a little bit dark at the moment, because
I am just reading about all of that pretty much every day.