Thread: Let's Study Sacred Geometry

This hypothesis postulates too many unknowns. Unknowns for which there is no evidence.

So let's close our minds to the possibility then.
Is it scientific to not imagine? Is it scientific to say "we don't know about that so it can't be true" ?

So you're proposing that some external force (we know not what) influences the brain and only the brain from 'somewhere else' (we know not how) for the purposes of making us feel love (we know not why).

I won't speak for HW but I don't think it is an external force. What? It is the Self. How? Through energetic compatibility and intention. Why? Because we crave it and it makes us happy.

Whereas, if you view love as the product of chemical and electrical processes (that's the what) stimulating the pleasure centers of the brain by releasing endorphins, dopamine, seratonine plus others (that's the how) for the purpose of creating strong attachment between two individuals so they may remain in a partnership together long enough to rear an infant to an age where it can look after itself (that's the why), you get a naturalistic explanation of love. Not one full of pixies and magic.

And without the Love either.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

I am not saying science is wrong, I am saying that to rely on science more than your own experience is foolish.

We're going to have to disagree here. Ones own experience can be one of delusion. One of my best lucid dreams was a WILD in which I met my grandfather who has been dead for 8 years. I had a very emotional farewell with him that finally gave me closure on his death. Had I been a religious person with no knowledge of lucid dreaming, I would have perhaps interpreted that as a communion with his soul/spirit or what have you. But armed with the knowledge that science has given me from researchers such as Stephen LaBerge (who was in turn verifying the experiences related to him from native American tribes as well as Buddhist monks) I am able to make the rational judgement that what I experienced was entirely illusionary and took place within my own mind. Not some other realm or dimension. That knowledge doesn't make the closure I have feel any less real however.

We experience the world through a combination of electrical signals coming into our brain from our skin, eyes, ears, nose and tongue. All experience can be defined as a coded series of electrical impulses. If our brain were to experience impulses from outside those five avenues of input, we would begin to see, hear, taste, smell and feel things that weren't actually there. Recall the stories of brain tumour suffers that smell burning feathers or other phantom smells. Or someone that has their hand amputated but still 'feels' a phantom hand clenching its fist so hard the phantom nails dig into the phantom palm, causing pain (another electrical impulse).

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

So let's close our minds to the possibility then.
Is it scientific to not imagine? Is it scientific to say "we don't know about that so it can't be true" ?

I'm not closing my mind to any possibility. I took that hypothesis, and I weighed it accordingly. For a hypothesis to have any merit, it has to explain something adequately without bringing in more unknowns than competing theories. HW's hypothesis basically amounts to assertion without evidence. Things that can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. It is scientific to say 'we don't know about it, so until we do, we have no reason to believe it is true'. If it were true you then have the added burden of explaining all the other phenomena associated with emotions as well as love.

I won't speak for HW but I don't think it is an external force.

So we agree that it is an internal phenomena common to lifeforms with a certain degree of cerebral development.

What? It is the Self.

Define this. Do you mean the soul? The personality? How do you make the distinction between the effect of love coming from within the soul but not from the biological brain?

How? Through energetic compatibility and intention.

Explain this concept please. I can't make sense of it.

Why? Because we crave it and it makes us happy.

You're putting the cart before the horse here. How would we know to crave love before we'd ever experienced it? Does this mean we also crave to feel hungry, thirsty, angry, depressed, grateful, proud, sexual attraction or excitement? By what mechanism does it make us feel happy if not through giving us dopamine and other endorphins which are known pleasure inducing chemicals.

And without the Love either.

Baseless assertion. Just because I can break a rainbow down as being the result of the refraction of light in the back of millions of rain drops doesn't make it any less beautiful to look at it. Just because I know why and how I feel the emotion of love doesn't make my heart beat any less crazy when I see someone I am in love with.

When people are assaulted at knife or gunpoint, their eyewitness testimony of their attackers features are often vague and unclear. This is because 90% of the time they are under duress, their vision is fixated on the weapon being held at them. Adrenalin is great for making your muscles contract faster, increasing your blood oxygen levels and increasing your hand eye co-ordination but it has a deleterious effect on memory synthesis. What your brain doesn't remember, it makes up. There are blind spots in both of your eyes where the retina feeds the optical nerve that leads to your brain. Your visual cortex 'colours in' the missing two circles of your vision so you don't notice them. And this occurs 24/7 for your entire life. Your brain is giving you a controlled hallucination so you don't have big blind spots in your view.

My point in all this, is that an individual can not always trust their subjective experiences to be factual and accurate. However, several independently verified experiences under properly controlled conditions (ie: science) can begin to build a picture of what's going on, accounting for the bias that we attach to the significance of our own experiences.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

We're going to have to disagree here. Ones own experience can be one of delusion. One of my best lucid dreams was a WILD in which I met my grandfather who has been dead for 8 years. I had a very emotional farewell with him that finally gave me closure on his death. Had I been a religious person with no knowledge of lucid dreaming, I would have perhaps interpreted that as a communion with his soul/spirit or what have you. But armed with the knowledge that science has given me from researchers such as Stephen LaBerge (who was in turn verifying the experiences related to him from native American tribes as well as Buddhist monks) I am able to make the rational judgement that what I experienced was entirely illusionary and took place within my own mind. Not some other realm or dimension. That knowledge doesn't make the closure I have feel any less real however.

There is evidence that there are no other realms or dimensions or an afterlife?

We experience the world through a combination of electrical signals coming into our brain from our skin, eyes, ears, nose and tongue. All experience can be defined as a coded series of electrical impulses. If our brain were to experience impulses from outside those five avenues of input, we would begin to see, hear, taste, smell and feel things that weren't actually there. Recall the stories of brain tumour suffers that smell burning feathers or other phantom smells. Or someone that has their hand amputated but still 'feels' a phantom hand clenching its fist so hard the phantom nails dig into the phantom palm, causing pain (another electrical impulse).

So are you saying that there is no evidence of a physical reality out there but just electrical impulses in the brain?

When people are assaulted at knife or gunpoint, their eyewitness testimony of their attackers features are often vague and unclear. This is because 90% of the time they are under duress, their vision is fixated on the weapon being held at them. Adrenalin is great for making your muscles contract faster, increasing your blood oxygen levels and increasing your hand eye co-ordination but it has a deleterious effect on memory synthesis. What your brain doesn't remember, it makes up. There are blind spots in both of your eyes where the retina feeds the optical nerve that leads to your brain. Your visual cortex 'colours in' the missing two circles of your vision so you don't notice them. And this occurs 24/7 for your entire life. Your brain is giving you a controlled hallucination so you don't have big blind spots in your view.

My point in all this, is that an individual can not always trust their subjective experiences to be factual and accurate. However, several independently verified experiences under properly controlled conditions (ie: science) can begin to build a picture of what's going on, accounting for the bias that we attach to the significance of our own experiences.[/QUOTE]

I agree that you cannot always count on your subjective experiences being accurate. I believe we should be brutally honest with ourselves.
That is why we should experiment over and over again with our consciousness and prove to ourselves things which science is not able to prove yet.

But man, how did I get off the topic of sacred geometry again! Is this a conspiracy? Why don't we have this discussion at the awareness awareness thread?

I mean are we trying to prove that there is no sacred geometry? This thread is called 'let's study sacred geometry' not let's debate about materialism vs. mysticism

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

There is evidence that there are no other realms or dimensions or an afterlife?

We have no evidence that there is, therefore no reason to believe that there is.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

So are you saying that there is no evidence of a physical reality out there but just electrical impulses in the brain?

In a word, yes. Everything anyone that is conscious knows about this universe was experienced via their senses in the form of electrical impulses. Your brain interprets these impulses and creates a model of the world around you. Dreaming is a by-product of this model-building software. When we go to sleep, we withdraw from our world and shut down external stimuli sources. But the brain is hungry for information to churn. So it turns inwards on itself for a source of stimuli to build a model from. This is why dreams don't have rules or laws of reality like the waking world, because it's entirely arbitrary what your mind wants to take as fact or fiction in the confines of your internal model.

I mean are we trying to prove that there is no sacred geometry? This thread is called 'let's study sacred geometry' not let's debate about materialism vs. mysticism

I agree, this has drifted off course from the central topic.

and I don't know what Descartes' evil demon scenario is. Because I think that Descartes was an idiot.

Right, so, you have no idea what his greatest philosophical achievement was, but you do know that whatever it was, it was crap, because Descartes was an idiot... for some reason.

'Open mind' my ass.

So do you believe that consciousness is a by product of the brain? Where's the evidence? Scientists have been puzzling over this forever.

Well, there's the fact that the 'location of our stream of consciousness' corresponds to specific regions of the brain. So thinking about language causes a language region of the brain to function. There's the fact that taking drugs effects biochemistry and the rate of firing of neurons, and that this affects consciousness. There's the fact that people who suffer brain damage can often have their consciousness impaired. There's the fact that the brain consists of an extremely intricate network of neurons which send signals to each other in order to carry out cognitive functions.

Do you want more..? :l

Originally Posted by Xei

Right, so, you have no idea what his greatest philosophical achievement was, but you do know that whatever it was, it was crap, because Descartes was an idiot... for some reason.

'Open mind' my ass.

So, speaking of Descartes's philosophical theory of the evil daemon is his greatest philosophical achievement? Or his "I think therefore I am"? Both are just intellectual masturbation. He is one who thinks too much without living. He thinks about life without living it.

Sure, you can propose that the physical world may be just the result of a conspiracy by a daemon to delude you into believing in an external world, like the Matrix, but we know that this is not true. It could be fun to think about as an exercise in intellectuality, but basically philosophical intellectuality is ego masturbation.

His famous quote "I think therefore I am" goes to prove my point. It shows that he never had a glimpse of life beyond his intellect. He never had a moment of life where he could say "I am therefore I am". "I am therefore I am " would be the truth.

He missed when he concluded that thought and the self are one.

You've completely missed the point.

'I think, therefore I am' represents the ONLY thing you can know to be true in the universe - your own existence. This is a fundamental tenant of existential philosophy, and an important part of the history of philosophy.

You display grave amounts of ignorance by dismissing it so haphazardly.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

I am therefore I am

Semantics. Nothing but semantics. The meaning of this sentence is the same as the cogito - I exist, because I am able to question my existence.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

We have no evidence that there is, therefore no reason to believe that there is.

Actually, if you take a look at string theory/M-theory, it says that there are 10, 11, or 12 dimensions, with the last dimension encompassing all the dimensions before it. Physicists recognize that there are at least 12 dimensional levels to the universe all existing simultaneously along side our own. Each level vibrates to its own vibrational tones and overtones of sound, light, color.
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Those dimensions are different levels of awareness. The extra dimensions we can't understand right now because our brain some how only limits us to the first three dimensions ).



The 12 dimensions have a metaphysical explanation to it.

Some people that experiment with Psychedelics( specifically talking about Salvia D. ) automatically skip to and experience that last dimension, the oneness, the unconditional love, the bliss, and return to normal consciousness and get depressed..they can't take it. It's like being on a heavy dose of heroin for 2 weeks straight and having the opiate substance taken away from you.

INDIVIDUAL consciousness to ~
GROUP consciousness to ~
COMMUNITY consciousness to ~
NATIONAL consciousness to ~
COLLECTIVE consciousness to ~
PLANETARY consciousness to ~
GALACTIC consciousness

THIS is what the Mayans were talking about.

Scientists want to know who lives in the 10th dimension and what's there, well if they give spirituality a chance, they'll know. It's inevitable for science and spirituality to come together and understand. It's like a left-brain and a right brain thing, they both need to come together.

There are 7 planes of existence, just like there are 7 colors in a rainbow, just like there are 7 scales in a musical note, There are 7 continents and 7 seas of the Earth. There are 7 Biblical days of creation, 7 laws of Noah, and in the book of Revelation there are 7 churches of Asia Minor, 7 seals, 7 vials, and 7 trumpets. In fact, both the Old and New Testaments are saturated with the number 7. There are 7 openings in the human head and 7 endocrine glands in the human body. A circle cannot be divided into seven equal parts by any known geometric construction.

7 is the starting point of plane and solid geometry. For example, the first plane figure is a triangle. It has 3 vertices, 3 sides, and 1 face. 3 + 3 + 1 = 7. From the triangle, we can produce the first solid figure, the tetrahedron.

That's sacred geometry from what I understand it.

If there are 7 planes of existence/awareness, what's after the 7, is it the end? No, the 7th isn't the end, it's the end of that octave and the beginning of the next octave. The universe is self aware..there is no beginning or end, it's all a hologram. It's actually been scientifically proven that the universe is a hologram. ANYTHING and EVERYTHING is possible, every world you can imagine, every being you can create or imagine, every world every reality, every concept, every idea, every dream and every thought. Creativity is infinite.

We can create anything we want in this world with the Law of attraction because, Thought+feeling equals manifestation.

No, Harwired. This is three dimensions:

{∀v: v = lA + mB + nC, [A, B, C] =! 0}

and this is twelve dimensions:

{∀v: v = mA + nB + oC + pD + qE + rF + sG + tH + uI + vJ + wK + xL, [A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L] =! 0}

What on Earth does the above have to do with consciousness?

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

Actually, if you take a look at string theory/M-theory, it says that there are 10, 11, or 12 dimensions, with the last dimension encompassing all the dimensions before it. Physicists recognize that there are at least 12 dimensional levels to the universe all existing simultaneously along side our own. Each level vibrates to its own vibrational tones and overtones of sound, light, color.

String theory is internally consistent but is inherently untestable. The technology to test it won't be developed for at least another hundred years. The extra dimensions you think you're referring to aren't separate planes of reality - they're spatial dimensions like height, width and length. Absolutely nothing to do with spirits, souls or extra-dimensional beings.

All that about colours, lights, sound and vibration is just New Age mumbo jumbo with no evidence to back it up. You can talk about kundalini rising, chakras, energy centres and the pineal gland until you're blue in the face. Without one shred of evidence for any of it, you just sound like a crazy person.

Directed towards an Alex, you stole my namesake, en guarde...?

Alice: But I don't want to go among mad people.
The Cat: Oh, you can't help that. We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.
Alice: How do you know I'm mad?
The Cat: You must be. Or you wouldn't have come here.
Alice: And how do you know that you're mad?
The Cat: To begin with, a dog's not mad. You grant that?
Alice: I suppose so,
The Cat: Well, then, you see, a dog growls when it's angry, and wags its tail when it's pleased. Now I growl when I'm pleased, and wag my tail when I'm angry. Therefore I'm mad.

Crazy or sane, some need others to prove things for them, some prove things for themselves. Some are in an illusion, some are in a delusion. We all can agree on what is easily testable, but their are some strange things in life that I won't bother to try and prove, you may think him crazy you may think I'm crazy.. But I think we're all just a little bit mad.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

All that about colours, lights, sound and vibration is just New Age mumbo jumbo with no evidence to back it up. You can talk about kundalini rising, chakras, energy centres and the pineal gland until you're blue in the face. Without one shred of evidence for any of it, you just sound like a crazy person.

I've provided scientific evidence, but you, and many others like Xei, just choose to ignore because It challenges your belief system..beyond that there's not much more I, nor anyone else can do for you. Modern science science says that nothing is even solid. You know, it so sad that people like you refuse to think outside the box.....fear....it's like an invisible prison cell that surrounds you. I actually feel sorry for you. FREE YOUR MIND NEO.