Thread: "Absolutely torture."

Originally Posted by Alric

IThat is just another emotional argument, and it doesn't even have anything to do with the topic at hand. Since I never said war could never be justified. I clearly stated that torturing and murdering innocent people could never be justified.

Emotional my ass. You said that it is never justifiable to kill people to save a greater number of people, which has happened in every war ever fought. It is impossible to avoid killing civilians in a war, yet sometimes war is justified.

Originally Posted by Alric

IWe weren't talking about letting a city die to save a baby. We were talking about torturing a baby to death to save a city. There is a big difference. Putting an entire city at risk to save one person is irresponsible. Murdering an innocent person to help others however is cruel and evil.

Oh, you were talking about merely hurting the baby? Yet you said you are against doing it to save a city? Then you don't respect human life.

Originally Posted by Alric

There is a clear line here. You never torture people. It really is that simple. Can you really live with yourself knowing that your only alive because someone tortured and murdered innocent people to save you?

Innocent? I support waterboarding known terrorist leaders. However, if torturing an innocent person is what it takes to save a city, then unfortunately the innocent person has to be tortured. Think about how much more horrific the alternative is.

Originally Posted by Alric

I have a very high respect for human life. High enough that I would rather die, than torture an innocent person.

You would also rather a city die, so you say. Actually, I don't think you would really feel the way you say you do if you were ever faced with the situation in real life. I think you would torture somebody to save a city.

Originally Posted by Specialis Sapientia

Some of the arguments you make are very childish..

Oh my god, a criminal defendant have to get up early! That is torture!!

Waterboarding is torture! How can you even discuss about such a thing?!

Wow, assertions. What an effective way to argue, especially when you throw in the strawman factor. Getting up early hurts like a bitch for some people. What you left out of the picture is the absolute horror of a criminal trial. Study up on it.