"Absolutely torture."

**Specialis Sapientia** · 06-08-2009 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Instead of making empty jackass comments like that, try countering the points I have been making. I have made very specific points and used very specific analogies. All you have done is dodge those, make points about what waterboarding can do when performed in the worst possible ways, and appealed to the supposed authority of weasel snakes in the U.N. If you are going to appeal to U.N. supposed authority, you might as well be telling me what Hamas thinks. I don't care. Counter my points.

Give me a fucking break, I have not dodged your freaking points. I have not even dignified answering your points other what wrote before.

HAVE I APPEALED TO SUPPOSED AUTOURITY?!

[SomeGuy] Wrote "According to the UN Convention Against Torture, torture is:......................."

He used UN AS AN AUTHORITY!!! To show that how contradicting it is to quote a UN Convention when that F******* same convention states that WATERBOARDING IS TORTURE!!

"Counter my points" Hah! I mean what I wrote earlier, THERE IS NO POINT DISCUSSION WITH BIASED AND EMOTIONAL IMPACTED INDIVIDUALS, JUST LIKE THERE IS NO POINT DISCUSSING WITH HAMAS OR BRAINWASHED TERROISTS!

**Universal Mind** · 06-08-2009 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Specialis Sapientia

Give me a fucking break, I have not dodged your freaking points. I have not even dignified answering your points other what wrote before.

HAVE I APPEALED TO SUPPOSED AUTOURITY?!

[SomeGuy] Wrote "According to the UN Convention Against Torture, torture is:......................."

He used UN AS AN AUTHORITY!!! To show that how contradicting it is to quote a UN Convention when that F******* same convention states that WATERBOARDING IS TORTURE!!

"Counter my points" Hah! I mean what I wrote earlier, THERE IS NO POINT DISCUSSION WITH BIASED AND EMOTIONAL IMPACTED INDIVIDUALS, JUST LIKE THERE IS NO POINT DISCUSSING WITH HAMAS OR BRAINWASHED TERROISTS!

Look who really is getting emotional. Also, nice excuses for dodging. You can sit out now.

**Specialis Sapientia** · 06-08-2009 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Look who really is getting emotional. Also, nice excuses for dodging. You can sit out now.

I just watched "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" 5 minutes ago, so I am excused.

**[SomeGuy]** · 06-08-2009 07:54 PM

The UN is stupid. Nice idea, but what do they do? Complain about Korea and their missiles? Please,we have more important things to do.

I quoted that because Wikipedia quoted them as an official definition of torture. I simply used the definition they provided. Don't put words in my mouth saying I quoted that as an authority. And besides, that alone says that the UN is a board of hypocrites. If they define torture as something that waterboarding is not, then call waterboarding torture, then they obviously need to remember what they said before.

THERE IS NO POINT DISCUSSION WITH BIASED AND EMOTIONAL[y] IMPACTED INDIVIDUALS, JUST LIKE THERE IS NO POINT DISCUSSING WITH HAMAS OR BRAINWASHED TERROISTS!

Maybe you should press that caps lock button once more.

We are not "BIASED AND EMOTIONAL[y] IMPACTED INDIVIDUALS". We are simply individuals with views that differ from yours.

**sleepingdog** · 06-08-2009 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by [SomeGuy]

If they define torture as something that waterboarding is not,

then you need to say why you think it is not.

and you can get that jap source on waterboarding yourself. it exists nice and folded. you can say it's a 'contradiction' but you'll just end up contradicting yourself once you discover that it's true (i can't wait!)

**Alric** · 06-08-2009 07:56 PM

That's not thousands of cases of the US doing it, that's the thousands of cases of it having been done on people. We generally do not know how many people the US has done it on, as in most cases its done in secret.

Though we already have many links in this thread that goes to experts and people who have gone through it, and they all talked about what happens to people during the processes. How come you keep ignoring all the information that was already provided? Heck you could just goggle it and it will explain what happens during water boarding.

Though for some reason you think everyone in the world is lying about the physiological impact it has on people. Where is your bases for this? I would like to see the report of the details concerning their health after the torture. Since you seem to claim it is a fact that they are not suffer, I am sure you can provide proof of it.

**Universal Mind** · 06-08-2009 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Alric

That's not thousands of cases of the US doing it, that's the thousands of cases of it having been done on people. We generally do not know how many people the US has done it on, as in most cases its done in secret.

Though we already have many links in this thread that goes to experts and people who have gone through it, and they all talked about what happens to people during the processes. How come you keep ignoring all the information that was already provided? Heck you could just goggle it and it will explain what happens during water boarding.

Though for some reason you think everyone in the world is lying about the physiological impact it has on people. Where is your bases for this? I would like to see the report of the details concerning their health after the torture. Since you seem to claim it is a fact that they are not suffer, I am sure you can provide proof of it.

Sooner or later this very simple point is going to sink in... I am only talking about waterboarding done the right way. That is why I am putting out a major effort to get you to focus on U.S. special forces and three terrorist leaders, the only people the U.S. has ever used waterboarding on as far as we know. I am not talking about the Viet Kong or the Soviets or such. They all out drowned people for all we know. Stop deviating.

**sleepingdog** · 06-08-2009 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I am only talking about waterboarding done the right way.

i'm still waiting on your definition of torture. but if it stands (as the consensus is, and has been for a long time) then you are arguing for the 'right way' to torture. that's a tough one, good luck.

on another side note. the better question is; do we accept a world were torture is legal, prevalent, and used as an accepted way to interrogate your enemies?

people have already decided this. but hey, let's do it again! just please remember that we (the USA!) are the only ones willing and able to make these rules. if we change them, the rest of the world will change too.

so keep arguing for the 'right way' to torture and you'll see a whole bunch of other people doing it too. that'd be fun.

That's not pushing somebody's head underwater for extended periods of time.

[SomeGuy]

it's a simulation. and you wouldn't know the difference, otherwise it would not be effective.

**[SomeGuy]** · 06-08-2009 08:15 PM

What, are these people retarted???? How do you not know the difference if someone is pushing your head underwater, or if they spray water on your face? How do you think you're dying when all that happens is a bucket of water slowly gets poured on your face? And if they have been doing it for three months, you know that they aren't tryin gto kill you, so duh.

Of course you know the difference.

**sleepingdog** · 06-08-2009 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by '[SomeGuy

Of course you know the difference.

I guess it isn't torture then SomeGuy, if it isn't a way to extract information out of people, which makes it useless, and seeing no reason to do it (besides being sadistic) would amount back to torture.

heh. im jk. yea, you would NOT know the difference. remember that time when you almost drowned? it's like that, exactly like that. only they push you farther than you have ever been, because they know just how far they can go before they kill you (since they don't want to kill you).

im done with you and this now. you can all go back to your conjectures without me or reality.

**[SomeGuy]** · 06-08-2009 08:22 PM