Thread: Power

People like to control things, the more they have a say, the better. It is a combination of greed, ignorance, fear, envy, and fantasy. I found an interesting article that may help understand.

And an appropriate quote:
"Every tyrant who has lived has believed in freedom - for himself."
-Elbert Hubbard

Plain estrogen in the water supply would be too dilluted to do anything, and it would have little effects without blocking testosterone even if it was more concentrated.

Power is control. The ego thrives on power. Control = power. In most of us there is some longing for control.
Some have an obsession over control. The more power you have the more control you obtain.
Unfortunately government is power.

Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I was not aware of what rules that estrogen and testosterone play. What is your source?

Kim Jong-il acting on which one?

References for biology/genetic affect on the need for power/dominance:

http://www.ns.umich.edu/htdocs/relea...ry.php?id=6524

http://homepage.psy.utexas.edu/homep...htaJosephs.pdf

Reference for environmental estrogen affecting men:

http://www.som.tulane.edu/cbr/ecme/e...sics/eeeffects


Scroll way down to find the estrogen study on this one:
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:...&client=safari
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The most interesting question. Actually this is the one problem I have been pondering for many years now. I tend to think that it is something that is build inside us and is very human-like, whether some people restrain the lust or are simply too weak to ever get that power. For me it seems very typical for humans that every one of us desires to carve their own way through this world and hopefully leave something behind. That is of course meaningless, because there is no reason to leave anything behind if you, as being, will ultimately perish.

I must admit that strength and power plays a very important role in my life, or more accuratetly, capability. Our lives are determined by things we are capable of. We are after all egoistic, we want to be more than the other people. Controlling people doesn't give me satisfaction, I despise people who go around saying other people what to do. For me power is the ability to do what you like, in spite of what the odds are or what those annoying other people try to make you do.

For politics, I despise them too as general. Just a large scale farce that unfortunatetly has grown way too important for the world. Nothing good can come out of scenario where the indifferent incapable elect the ambitious incapable to do the impossible.The only problem is that those elected get the keys to destroy the current world with couple words. I am greatly interested who the hell votes for Obama, for example? I am not commenting about his capability, skill or him as person at all, I am just saying that what makes people vote for him. You could replace Obama for any other politician in that sentence, it doesn't matter. I am more interested in the chains of events that lead to the current situation than the mere situation itself. What have they done to extremely large masses of people to have those people vote for them? Why they want to raise one person to rule them all? Is it because they are so weak themselves and hope this one will be capable enough to correct the wrongs?

Originally Posted by Exhalent

And an appropriate quote:
"Every tyrant who has lived has believed in freedom - for himself."
-Elbert Hubbard

Mhehh. That's true for so many people.
"Freedom of Speech!! Atleast untill somebody disagrees with me."

About power, I don't think I have any huge desire for power over anyone other than myself.
But that is, what it is. Or can be.
It's a common argument that child molesters molest children because they lack power and/or control in some aspect in their own life, so they seek to have this control over something or someone that is easier to handle than whatever it is they can't control.

Maybe politicians are insecure, powerless people who seek power over others for that reason :3

Originally Posted by Unelias

I must admit that strength and power plays a very important role in my life, or more accuratetly, capability. Our lives are determined by things we are capable of. We are after all egoistic, we want to be more than the other people. Controlling people doesn't give me satisfaction, I despise people who go around saying other people what to do. For me power is the ability to do what you like, in spite of what the odds are or what those annoying other people try to make you do.

For politics, I despise them too as general. Just a large scale farce that unfortunatetly has grown way too important for the world. Nothing good can come out of scenario where the indifferent incapable elect the ambitious incapable to do the impossible.The only problem is that those elected get the keys to destroy the current world with couple words. I am greatly interested who the hell votes for Obama, for example? I am not commenting about his capability, skill or him as person at all, I am just saying that what makes people vote for him. You could replace Obama for any other politician in that sentence, it doesn't matter. I am more interested in the chains of events that lead to the current situation than the mere situation itself. What have they done to extremely large masses of people to have those people vote for them? Why they want to raise one person to rule them all? Is it because they are so weak themselves and hope this one will be capable enough to correct the wrongs?

I think I agree with this O_ o

Originally Posted by Unelias

For politics, I despise them too as general. Just a large scale farce that unfortunatetly has grown way too important for the world. Nothing good can come out of scenario where the indifferent incapable elect the ambitious incapable to do the impossible.The only problem is that those elected get the keys to destroy the current world with couple words. I am greatly interested who the hell votes for Obama, for example? I am not commenting about his capability, skill or him as person at all, I am just saying that what makes people vote for him. You could replace Obama for any other politician in that sentence, it doesn't matter. I am more interested in the chains of events that lead to the current situation than the mere situation itself. What have they done to extremely large masses of people to have those people vote for them? Why they want to raise one person to rule them all? Is it because they are so weak themselves and hope this one will be capable enough to correct the wrongs?

It's good to have a leader. It's a face that people can trust and rely on. Someone to look to for answers. Without a leader, people fragment away from each other. It's the leader's job to try and hold everybody together. Granted this isn't always exactly what a president is or does, but it's what they represent - leadership.

Also, ultimately, it's not one person's (the president) rule per se. The president has many advisors, including the Senate. You can't expect one person to know everything and always know what is best. This was realized a long time ago, and is the purpose for the creation of the president's cabinet. Remember too that, the senate also votes for the president, not just the public. If you think that the president and senate are "incapable" of the tasks that they perform, then that's rather ignorant of you to say. It's not like any asshole can walk in off the street and get elected.

Conclusively, people simply desire to have a leader, in hopes that they will either know what is best, or know who to talk to, in order to find out what is best.

Originally Posted by Vampyre

It's good to have a leader. It's a face that people can trust and rely on. Someone to look to for answers. Without a leader, people fragment away from each other. It's the leader's job to try and hold everybody together. Granted this isn't always exactly what a president is or does, but it's what they represent - leadership.

Also, ultimately, it's not one person's (the president) rule per se. The president has many advisors, including the Senate. You can't expect one person to know everything and always know what is best. This was realized a long time ago, and is the purpose for the creation of the president's cabinet. Remember too that, the senate also votes for the president, not just the public. If you think that the president and senate are "incapable" of the tasks that they perform, then that's rather ignorant of you to say. It's not like any asshole can walk in off the street and get elected.

Conclusively, people simply desire to have a leader, in hopes that they will either know what is best, or know who to talk to, in order to find out what is best.

I don't desire to have a leader or someone who decides things over me. I don't believe in communities/ goverments or think they are the best solution. Granted, masses long for leader, for someone who can smile and say everything will be all right. The problem is that this person hardly is worth of such power. No man is. Even if you split it amongs the senate or what ever it doesn't even come near the right to lead so many. Include corruption. all those lies and deceptions and you have a delicious looking cake, which has blood and flesh inside it.

I agree in one thing though. The cause of this horrible state we are in. It is hope. People always want to believe that things will be right. They want to trust for a handful of people they know absolutely nothing about. For me, that is ignorant and stupid.