Thread: An extremist view on making a better world

Originally Posted by NeoSioType

First off please note I don't really believe this. I'm just taking the "evil" side to raise some thought provoking questions and get similar replies. I guess most of it is sort of like darwin's survival of the fittest.

How to make a better world (after all the ends justify the means)

1. Execute criminals and any offspring they may have. Note that I'm thinking of immoral acts. Such as stealing or killing. Not neccessarily those who break petty govenment laws. Wait... we're going extreme so throw everyone in.

2. Make our own doomsday on purpose so that we can drastically cut population and more efficiently manage resources among the survivors.

3. Create a system to manage population. Two children for every two parents. If one dies prematurely, they may have another, or another family may have three.

4. Execute those who come to divorce and their children. After all if there vow is meaningless, what hope do they have for this "perfect world"?

5. Schooling will be closely managed. Those who fail school, fail life. Deal with it.

Of course all of this has to be done behind the scenes. If it appears one government is doing this that will be an image for rebellion. I was thinking along the lines of nanomachines. People will live in fear of people dropping dead all around them so these nanomachines will also erase memories.

feel free to comment, add on to, or reject this viewpoint (explain why).

Ths would be Fascism; No more civil rights or freedom. All must bow for the greater goal of improving life. They must bow so deep it makes their lives hell.

Hitler wanted to make the world a better place, Stalin did too and many dictators throughout human history did. It's just the WAY they intend to do it makes life alot worse rather than better. A better world for some is no better world at all. It would be the same world humanity has known already for at least 6000 years now.

Originally Posted by SKA

Ths would be Fascism; No more civil rights or freedom. All must bow for the greater goal of improving life. They must bow so deep it makes their lives hell.

Hitler wanted to make the world a better place, Stalin did too and many dictators throughout human history did. It's just the WAY they intend to do it makes life alot worse rather than better. A better world for some is no better world at all. It would be the same world humanity has known already for at least 6000 years now.

Well, if you kill all of the people who's lives it wouldn't improve, then you would have made a better world.

Originally Posted by A Roxxor

Well, if you kill all of the people who's lives it wouldn't improve, then you would have made a better world.

A better world for who?

A world in which masses of people are killed, just because they don't quite fit into a certain system...doesn't at all sound anything like an improvement.
I don't know about you, but I value human life. In all it's diversity. Perhaps some social groups of people are indeed causing society trouble. But how could that ever be worse than to go ahead and mass murder them to get them "out of the way"? The world couldn't possibly be worse than that. And unfortunately this world has very often been just like that throughout history, continuing today.

It sounds like you're convinced a system that kills those it sees as "unfit"for the cause(whatever cause it may be), AKA:fascism, might improve the world.
Would you still feel the same way if this system decided that you and/or loved ones(maybe your family? Your lover, Maybe your best friends?) are "unfit"and a detriment/hinder to this system?

Originally Posted by SKA

A better world for who?

A world in which masses of people are killed, just because they don't quite fit into a certain system...doesn't at all sound anything like an improvement.
I don't know about you, but I value human life. In all it's diversity. Perhaps some social groups of people are indeed causing society trouble. But how could that ever be worse than to go ahead and mass murder them to get them "out of the way"? The world couldn't possibly be worse than that. And unfortunately this world has very often been just like that throughout history, continuing today.

It sounds like you're convinced a system that kills those it sees as "unfit"for the cause(whatever cause it may be), AKA:fascism, might improve the world.
Would you still feel the same way if this system decided that you and/or loved ones(maybe your family? Your lover, Maybe your best friends?) are "unfit"and a detriment/hinder to this system?

Well, if you didn't like the reforms, then you would also be killed, thus leaving the remaining people's lives improved.

this thread has posts? who the hell can take it seriously

Originally Posted by A Roxxor

Well, if you didn't like the reforms, then you would also be killed, thus leaving the remaining people's lives improved.

People like you in Political, authoritairian positions are very dangerious.
I for one couldn't live in a mass murder society.

So what if YOU were happy and content about the reform, but your best friend or your Mother isn't and there for has to be killed?....Are you still that happy with the reforms?

I reckon the world would be a better place without people like you. Yet killing you and people like you isn't an option to me: I am no barbarian and I value human Life. Too bad you appearantly don't. You see understanding why it's immoral, barbaric and just NOT DONE to just go ahead and KILL and Opress everything and everyone that happens to be in your way....now THAT is Civilisation if you ask me. If you don't understand this you might be a psychopath... I sense a total lack of empathy from you towards your fellow human beings.

It's people with views like your's in political powerfull positions that start worldwars and genocides. It's people like you that stop all development of human societies and plunge them back into the darkages.

Originally Posted by juroara

this thread has posts? who the hell can take it seriously

Gee I guess you're right once again.Why do DV-staff make such a big fuss about people sharing their Psychedelic experiences, and yet don't make a fuss about people preaching fascism and mass murder? "What if the children see THIS?" Where is that additude now? But hey if you want to follow and preach rediculous, inhumane ideologies: there are enough countries who are governed JUST like that.

Why don't you move to China and try to found a large Church and religious community there? And criticise the governemtn there. And preach Capitalism there. That should grow you the children fuck up.

Jesus, calm down guy. This thread is about a speculative extremist position on creating a better world, not an actual political discussion.

Well if you're trying to creating a better world, you're sure as hell not doing a good job of doing it. I don't quite understand the logic behind this; mass murder=a better world? Even if i subscribed to the theory that the world is overpopulated with this "virus" called humanity I would not support the massive extermination of my fellow species. Have any of the wacko Neo-Liberal-Totalitarian fearmongers who actually believe in this stuff ever taken the time to think about alternatives to just marching around Nazi style and exterminating undesirables? If you really believe the Earth is overpopulated, why not simply invest in space colonization? We already have most of the technology required, and if the government didnt have a monopoly on space exploration we'd have already established permanent bases on the moon by now.