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    • Christianity (Please specify any Sect)

      9 20.93%

    • Islam (Please specify any Sect)

      0 0%

    • Judaism (Please specify any Sect)

      0 0%

    • Hinduism (Please specify any Sect)

      0 0%

    • Taoism (Please specify any Sect)

      1 2.33%

    • No Affiliation (Atheist, please specify)

      25 58.14%

    • No Affiliation (Pantheist, please specify)

      3 6.98%

    • No Affiliation (Apathetic, please specify)

      3 6.98%

    • No Affiliation (Deist, please specify)

      2 4.65%
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    1. 09-23-2009 01:57 AM #101
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      Quote Originally Posted by A Roxxor View Post
      But he said a new universe that is basically a copy of the last except one quantum particle is different.
      That's sort of a simplification. It's a long story. We can choose to think of it like that from the perspective of a single observer though, I believe.

      Quote Originally Posted by A Roxxor View Post
      How does this happen? Just because?
      That's sort of the wrong question because I can choose to ask it about inertia. We have no idea what causes inertia. It's just because. Now granted, we can actually observe inertia. The main criterion for the multiverse theory has to be that it makes measurable predictions (and it does as it makes the same predictions as standard QM) and that it makes the theory simpler. The latter is what would distinguish it since the other universes would be fundamentally unobservable. I'm just getting up to actual calculational speed with QM so I cant really comment but the feeling among its supporters does seem to be that it does that.

      It is weird that one can fire a photon through a double slit and have it interfere with itself though, is it not? If they go through one at a time it still happens. That's pretty ridiculous. If there were one for each universe where that photon was at the starting point of the experiment though, then it sort of makes sense to think of them interfering with each other. It's a particle in this universe and a wave across the multiverse.

      Lots of unanswered questions though.
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    2. 09-23-2009 02:07 AM #102
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      A property of matter isn't a process. The spawning of a new universe is.
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    3. 09-23-2009 02:06 PM #103
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      Quote Originally Posted by Xei View Post
      What's the question?
      Your own question: "how do you explain the fine tuning of the universe for life?"
      Read my post again and try.
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    4. 09-23-2009 02:23 PM #104
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      Agnostic Atheist (i.e. 99.999...% atheist).


      As for my take on the Universe thing, I personally find it hard to believe that this is the only Universe that will ever exist, and this is the only cycle in that Universe as it will expand forever whilst dying of heat death, or having all particles decay in to photons or something.

      The Universe came about once, and I don't find it inconceivable it could happen again.

      Obviously this position is unfounded, and as we learn more I may well revise it. Even if the universe looks like it is expanding faster, there's so much that's unknown. Hell. it's even possible that our tiny perspective has some thing skewing it that is leading us to the wrong conclusion, which we wouldn't draw if we could take a very large step back. Who knows?

      One hypothesis I like is the idea of infinite crunches and bangs in an infinite cycle. It's interesting because it would mean the same as the quantum interpretation of multiverses, i.e. everything possible happens in some universe. In fact, it'd mean we'd have universes identical to this one, where we've had this exact same discussion before, or even ones where the random arrangement of atoms created 'memories' of events from previous universes. It is rather mindblowing I find.
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    5. 09-23-2009 07:23 PM #105
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      Quote Originally Posted by Specialis Sapientia View Post
      Your own question: "how do you explain the fine tuning of the universe for life?"
      Read my post again and try.
      He did....

      He said that since it is such an unbelievable coincidence that the emf constant was just right that there must be an infinite amount of universes in which only a few have the constant just right to allow complex structures to occur.

      What exactly are you getting at?
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    6. 09-23-2009 08:48 PM #106
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      Quote Originally Posted by A Roxxor View Post
      He did....

      He said that since it is such an unbelievable coincidence that the emf constant was just right that there must be an infinite amount of universes in which only a few have the constant just right to allow complex structures to occur.

      What exactly are you getting at?
      No he did not.
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    7. 10-01-2009 06:06 AM #107
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      Cool

      The option most representative of my beliefs was atheism, though that's not what I believe at all.
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