Thread: funny correlates - IQ, religion and presidential vote

I'm not trying to prove anything. Also, this is mostly outdated information (I couldn't be bothered to find the most recent stuff).

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Average IQ per state




Religious belief per state




Presidential election per state



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I could say something, but it's not like I need to.

Everything i could possibly say is already said by those pictures

The IQ should be lower since people voted for both of those two jackals.

Very interesting.

Of course, any causative conclusions cannot be drawn from this.

Originally Posted by Odd_Nonposter

Very interesting.

Of course, any causative conclusions cannot be drawn from this.

Yes they can. It's not like voting for a certain candidate makes you smart. That is an improper implication (absurd). So, either intelligence directly affects the vote, or both intelligence and vote are affected by a third factor.

Regarding religion, my opinion is it is a mutual cause. Being less intelligent makes you more susceptible to accepting a religion, and having a religion makes you less susceptible to questioning things. In this case, we have also to consider raising, but I think that is a minimal contributor, considering how many people are actually brought up with a religion and change/get rid of it later in life. I mean, intelligence and atheism have a statistical correlation of 0.9. Only mutual-cause systems can produce such high correlations.

I find this one more interesting, where on average states that voted obama have poorer education, and states that voted Mccain had higher levels of education. Though there are a few that don't fit the pattern.

http://www.ofm.wa.gov/trends/maps/fig512c.gif

Also an interesting note. Apparently as the iq of the average population of a state raises, the worse the education for the state becomes. People can assume whatever they want. Perhaps people might want to say, that clearly intelligent people don't need schools so education suffers. Though I would like to add the possiblity, that perhaps if the education is poor in an area, they IQ test results are more likely to be inaccurate, which is why they can swing far away from the average.

Originally Posted by Odd_Nonposter

Of course, any causative conclusions cannot be drawn from this.

Some smart-ass always says this to correlative data.

Never forget that, although it does not prove causation, it does prove a relationship none-the-less.

It seems like someone always needs to 'chime' in and 'remind us' of something and then, the very same person, needs to be reminded of something else; there's still something there to acknowledge, not to write off.

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Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

The IQ should be lower since people voted for both of those two jackals.

+1 I think we've seen this info a few times now. but yes, I think politics is a very poor indicator as both McCain and Obama were lying through their teeth.

Tkdyo. It doesn't really matter if they were lying, for the social indicator. If I say I will make the US a monarchy, even though I don't do it, people voting for me indicates people are in favour of a monarchy. Therefore, your argument is invalid. Stop being a fence-sitter, it doesn't help at all.

IQ isn't a perfect indicator of Intelligence, it takes one kind of intelligence yes. It doesn't measure Common Sense or Creativity though.
As for Religion and Votes: Theres any obvious correlation there. I don't think anyone can argue with that.

How am I being a fence sitter? expressing my disdain for the both does not make me a fence sitter as there are not only two options in our elections.

Also, no it doesnt make my argument invalid because in the end politics are politics because its about the candidates swinging their fancy words around to try and persuade people. Weather people like these words are not are usually based on opinion and not on facts so its not exactly a great correlator with intelligence.

Oh great another post about bashing on those who are religious. I understand if you have to post threads like that to feel better about what you believe or in your case, don't believe.

Dave, what do you think of socialism?

What do I think about socialism? I think it stinks. It is a system of political control (tyranny) it tells the public what they can and can't do with their money which is one step from communism. it will take away freedom and liberties of the American people. Socialism will give people no incentive to excel, you will not be rewarded for your hard work. no one will be created equal anymore, they will deserve equally. It will give those who do not try or do for themselves a free ride. that is just in a nutshell of what i think about socialism. But really all i had to say was Nazi Germany, Stalin, Ottoman Empire, China, North Korea, Cuba, Burma, Laos, Vietnam and the list goes on.... need I say more?

Got an email a while back that read
a man starts into a restaurant and sees a homeless man on the side of the road with a sign asking for money. after the meal, he informs the waiter that he will be giving his tip to the homeless man outside because he could use it more. Now how would you feel if you were the waiter? That's socialism for ya.

How do you feel about socialism?

I don't want to go into a socio-political debate about socialism etc. But I'm really surprised davej. Maybe it's some specific aspect of you belief, but I find your statement about the homeless guy quite immoral at it's core. If I was the waiter, I'd be happy for the homeless guy. I must have heard/deduced wrongly that Christians strive to be christlike. Has Jesus not only taken away your sins, but the will and duty to do be "christly good" as well? Now for a equally provokative response: I guess letting the homeless guy rot in the street is capitalism for ya.

Don't even start to judge me Bonsay. I do give to charity and do charity work. I choose to do that myself, not letting the government chose for me.

When at work, I work hard and strive to be my best to get promoted to have a sense of a job well done and to earn more money. Now why would I do that if someone that slacks off gets paid the exact same? You think it might not be a big deal but lets say you live in a socialist country. You get injured and have to go to the hospital. it is time for your surgery. Wouldn't you want the best doctor you could afford? WHy be a great doctor if you are going to make just the same as another doctor that just barely made it through medical school and doesn't strive to do his best?

Originally Posted by davej

How do you feel about socialism?

It's what I've been arguing about all over this thread. I agree with you on it. Socialism works as well as a classroom where grades are evenly distributed. If laziness is not punished and effort is not rewarded, the system crumbles because each person sees little reason to try.

You would like the Margaret Thatcher video I started a thread about.

Originally Posted by Bonsay

If I was the waiter, I'd be happy for the homeless guy.

Then it would be good of you to take the tip and decide yourself to give the money to the homeless guy. If you never see tips and get to decide what to do with them, why work hard as a waiter? Socialism is not the same as charity. Charity is voluntary.

Originally Posted by davej

What do I think about socialism? I think it stinks. It is a system of political control (tyranny) it tells the public what they can and can't do with their money which is one step from communism. it will take away freedom and liberties of the American people. Socialism will give people no incentive to excel, you will not be rewarded for your hard work. no one will be created equal anymore, they will deserve equally. It will give those who do not try or do for themselves a free ride. that is just in a nutshell of what i think about socialism. But really all i had to say was Nazi Germany, Stalin, Ottoman Empire, China, North Korea, Cuba, Burma, Laos, Vietnam and the list goes on.... need I say more?

Ill see your countries and raise with Norway, Sweden, UK, Portugal and Germany (and more). Not extremely socialist, but all have a large left wing party dominationg, and is a welfare-state (that is "take away freedom and liberties" to you), wich means that the state is there to ensure a minimum wellfare for everyone. You may notice that Norway and Sweden is on the top of the list of purchasing power per capita. That means even though we have ridicoulously large taxes, we can still buy more stuff than other countries.

Originally Posted by davej

Got an email a while back that read
a man starts into a restaurant and sees a homeless man on the side of the road with a sign asking for money. after the meal, he informs the waiter that he will be giving his tip to the homeless man outside because he could use it more. Now how would you feel if you were the waiter? That's socialism for ya.

Unless the waiter is a greedy bastard, it should be fine.

Originally Posted by davej

How do you feel about socialism?

I feel that there should be a principle, that says that all humas should be offered the same oppertunities. Free education and healtcare, social insurance. After that, everyone should be able to follow their dreams of riches or whatever they like. Also, some things cannot be trusted to an open marked, where people can exploit it.

Sorry if this was off-topic, but i couldn't resist answering a statement like this.