Thread: The Real Problem With Homosexuality

Bisexuals are harder to study but most of the examples I've come across feature (in men) a masculine brain structure with some form of different libido. On the other hand it could be that sexuality develops into a gradient so most adults may be bisexual to some degree.

I want everyone to remember that there will always be exceptions to the rule. Bisexuals appear to be more exceptional than say homosexuals with the brain structure of the opposite sex.

It makes sense that female brains produce female hormones and male brains produce male hormones. Perhaps exceptions to the rule are people with the 'right' brains who just happen to be attracted to the same sex.

Just remember no matter what causes homosexuality directly, the studies show that most homosexuals do have a brain resemblance to the opposite sex.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

Bisexuals are harder to study but most of the examples I've come across feature (in men) a masculine brain structure with some form of different libido. On the other hand it could be that sexuality develops into a gradient so most adults may be bisexual to some degree.

I want everyone to remember that there will always be exceptions to the rule. Bisexuals appear to be more exceptional than say homosexuals with the brain structure of the opposite sex.

It makes sense that female brains produce female hormones and male brains produce male hormones. Perhaps exceptions to the rule are people with the 'right' brains who just happen to be attracted to the same sex.

Just remember no matter what causes homosexuality directly, the studies show that most homosexuals do have a brain resemblance to the opposite sex.

Likewise, remember that there are things we still don't understand. It simply isn't as black and white as you want to make it.

*jumps into debate*

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

I still think this thread is retarded

homosexuality is LEARNED..your not born with a specific "homosexual" brain structure

Seriously? You think someone would willingly give up their happy straight orientation for the heavy persecution faced by homosexuals now? For what? What benefit could there possibly be? Mate, you are wrong. Homosexuality is not a "learned" behavior. There is definitely a factor, be it genetics, hormones, brain structure, etc. beyond the control of the individual that has a significant bearing on the sexual orientations of individuals.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

First of all. Nothing is learnable if your genes don't allow it. I could take ears of classes for flying but I wouldn't fly if my genes didn't give me wings. If anything, the minimal genetic conclusion necessary to make is that sexuality isn't strict - males [i]can[/] like males and females can like females. If genes influence sexuality more than that is still unknown.

Technically, it's called a meme, and these little nuggets of information can override genetic material to an extent. Also, the way a person's brain operates may express/repress the expression of some genes (think of excessive stress, here). But I digress; I agree with you that genetics, or at least early development, shapes a person's sexual orientation. Bottom line: homosexuality is beyond the control of the individual. Now can we please stop persecuting them and move on as a society?

Quietly protesting the 10 character limit.

Well look, I am going to read a lot more choice material into homosexuality. I already have a book called "Queer Science" by Simon LeVay. If I read it insanely quickly then it would provide a lot more information for this so called debate that I started.

I think there are certain genetic factors that predetermine homosexuality but I know it is possible to 'grow into' an attraction you never had before. But this in of itself could be a genetic ability, and some people might not be able to do.

I think another important thing to remember is that it is perfectly possible to have a physical desire for the same sex but you could still have the emotional desire for the archetypal opposite sex. That is what confuses me.

I would bet that physical attraction comes first, and then your emotions develop out of it, but that's just a guess. I had to wait until I found myself attracted to boys to have any emotional desire at all. But that could just have been my age, I really don't know. I'm not a good example.

Originally Posted by Mario92

Seriously? You think someone would willingly give up their happy straight orientation for the heavy persecution faced by homosexuals now? For what? What benefit could there possibly be? Mate, you are wrong. Homosexuality is not a "learned" behavior. There is definitely a factor, be it genetics, hormones, brain structure, etc. beyond the control of the individual that has a significant bearing on the sexual orientations of individuals.

There is no factor..it's just what you LIKE and what makes you happy. Porn being one way you turn gay "unintentionally"...for guys I mean. It has nothing to do with your genes..that is seriously the most retarded thing I've heard lol.

You turn gay because of your environment and surroundings and likes and dislikes.

A happy straight person WILL NOT turn bi-sexual or gay if it does not make them happy. Unless it's unintentional. ( refer to the porn thing )

A guy that always gets punked or beat up in school in school starts hanging with females all the time and imitates their behavior and gestures. He feels more comfortable like that. He's happy like that.

Another way is rape or molestation during childhood being another way you turn gay. Because when you were young that made you happy, in an unintentional way.

But you don't enter the world like that. Actually your psyche is what CONTROLS brain structure.

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archive...structure-yes/

Everything starts off SUBJECTIVELY...THEN it's objective.

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

There is no factor..it's just what you LIKE and what makes you happy. Porn being one way you turn gay "unintentionally"...for guys I mean. It has nothing to do with your genes..that is seriously the most retarded thing I've heard lol.

You turn gay because of your environment and surroundings and likes and dislikes.

A happy straight person WILL NOT turn bi-sexual or gay if it does not make them happy. Unless it's unintentional. ( refer to the porn thing )

A guy that always gets punked or beat up in school in school starts hanging with females all the time and imitates their behavior and gestures. He feels more comfortable like that. He's happy like that.

Another way is rape or molestation during childhood being another way you turn gay. Because when you were young that made you happy, in an unintentional way.

But you don't enter the world like that. Actually your psyche is what CONTROLS brain structure.

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archive...structure-yes/

Everything starts off SUBJECTIVELY...THEN it's objective.

...you're seriously suggesting that porn will turn a person gay? Now THAT is just plain stupid.

http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight...es/011685.html

Yeah...no. What kind of propaganda have you been force-fed? Sure, the environment *may* have a bearing on a person's sexuality, but seriously? Porn will turn you gay? I've heard some dumb things, but that takes the cake.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_a_gay_...ecome_straight
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_a_stra...ll_of_a_sudden

If gay people can't become straight (and yes, many efforts have been made, with the vast majority turning out highly undesirable results), then it isn't going to go the other way. Sexual orientation is something that is set at a very early age.

Ok, I meant Porn "CAN" turn you gay...it's a matter of if you constantly climax while looking at another man's penis ejaculating. The image of that is burned into the subconscious. During climax your at a period of heightened awareness and "no-thought" and what you focus on goes right by the conscious mind. This is how subliminal messages/imaging and chaos/sigil/sex magic work...they bypass the logical/conscious mind.

If gay people can't become straight (and yes, many efforts have been made, with the vast majority turning out highly undesirable results)

If gay people can't become straight, then deep down they just don't like the opposite sex. Science can't change what you like and how you feel about things/people.

I don't like Okra...I think it's disgusting...there is no scientific method or experiment that can make me like it. You see? I mean there are things I can do to make myself like Okra, but it would definitely not be called science.

There is no proof, either medically, genetically, culturally or historically that gays, bisexuals and lesbians are born that way and therefore cannot be changed. Sexual orientation is a choice. Straight people have chosen to become homosexuals; homosexuals have chosen to become bisexuals; and quite a number of homosexuals have chosen to become straight. Even some people even decide to cross the species boundary and choose to sleep with dogs and horses.

If homosexuals can claim to be born that way, then we can equally argue that pedophiles are born that way; that polygamists are born that way; that men having sex with their own daughters and sons are born that way. Or that brothers having sex with their sisters are born that way.

We all know that this is not the case. Homosexuals choose to be homosexuals. Lesbians choose to be lesbians. Bisexual people choose to be bisexual. It is understandable that life experiences could have contributed to their choice, the fact still remains that they chose who they sleep with.

Just like a heterosexual. You may say you have no control who you feel attracted to. The real truth is your choice is dictated by your life experiences and cultural upbringing. No heterosexual man was born to be "attracted only to tall, blond women". If he is sufficiently exposed to the likes of Tyra Banks, he might change his mind.
It would be interesting but not impossible. I guess you would have to appeal to certain elements such as comfort, fantasy, sexual desire, and interest.

I simply allowed myself too much freedom to look at my heart's desire.

Could that be considered conscious perversion in some way?

I think that maybe Hard Wired is actually right but it would not work on all individuals.

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

There is no proof, either medically, genetically, culturally or historically that gays, bisexuals and lesbians are born that way and therefore cannot be changed. Sexual orientation is a choice. Straight people have chosen to become homosexuals; homosexuals have chosen to become bisexuals; and quite a number of homosexuals have chosen to become straight. Even some people even decide to cross the species boundary and choose to sleep with dogs and horses.

If homosexuals can claim to be born that way, then we can equally argue that pedophiles are born that way; that polygamists are born that way; that men having sex with their own daughters and sons are born that way. Or that brothers having sex with their sisters are born that way.

We all know that this is not the case. Homosexuals choose to be homosexuals. Lesbians choose to be lesbians. Bisexual people choose to be bisexual. It is understandable that life experiences could have contributed to their choice, the fact still remains that they chose who they sleep with.

Just like a heterosexual. You may say you have no control who you feel attracted to. The real truth is your choice is dictated by your life experiences and cultural upbringing. No heterosexual man was born to be "attracted only to tall, blond women". If he is sufficiently exposed to the likes of Tyra Banks, he might change his mind.
It would be interesting but not impossible. I guess you would have to appeal to certain elements such as comfort, fantasy, sexual desire, and interest.

Haha, who wrote this? Is it backed up by any kind of research/evidence?

Because it just looks like ramblings from some ignorant fool. Really, comparing polygamy with parent-child incest and even pedophilia? Lmao.