Quote Originally Posted by Laughing Man View Post
And the Bolsheviks always thought the party was right. You are not really giving me adequate justifications for why fascism isn't a school of thought in socialism. And yes Italy began their fascist regime with the idea that all are equal, in their obligation to serve the state for the state is the full realization of a given society. The state represents the mass of the people or is representative of the general will. If you actually read the works of Henri de Saint Simon and his Saint-Simonians, you find the beginnings of planned, socialistic society which can be seen as proto-fascism. Also you are incorrect to think that socialism thinks the state a means to achieving equality. There are in fact anarcho-socialists who think the state is a representation of hierarchical interests which seek to subjugate the working class. So the role of the state is rather ambiguous in socialism.
Those are just strands of socialism. Karl Marx said that 'democracy is the road to communism'. Fascism despises democracy and sees it as corrupt and ineffective. If Marx isn't enough to convince you of this then, who is?

Fascist trails of thought are simply opposed to socialism. The vast majority of socialists believe in democracy, so quoting a minority strand isn't a very rational argument. Fascists believe that war is glorious and productive for humanity, mainly because is expands the state (this is chauvinist nationalism). Marxists believe that war is often contrived to suppress the working class and create a false class consciousness of national unity.

Fascism does not assert that the state should represent the people, as you claim. If they did, they would support democracy. In fact, fascists quite literally believe that the leader is supreme, the leader knows best.

Anarcho-socialists? I think you mean anarcho-communists. The paradox within this strand is well documented, and it's more to do with their views on human nature than their views on the state.

I too can quote random and minor strands to support arguments. If we're discussing ideologies then we generally need to use the consensus view. Obviously, a strand within an ideology can disagree with its parent ideology. Obviously, there are some socialists that oppose democracy. Obviously, we should use common sense. I wouldn't tell you that conservative's views on human nature stem from the works of the bible. They used to, but now they don't, and the majority simply don't look at it from that angle.