Martin Luther King Vietnam speech. (America supports Hitler?? )

**Kuhnada29** · 02-06-2010 01:13 AM

I just found this today. Maybe this is the speech that got him killed? In it, he makes some strong accusations of the entire U.S. government supporting Hitler and some other things saying that the government is exploiting the economy.

Here is the audio:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b80Bsw0UG-U

Here is the transcript to read-along:

I also seen this. http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=389x2840215

**AURON** · 02-06-2010 01:37 AM

I would have to agree with you Hard_Wired. I read the speech on paper a long time ago and thought about that. I don't think it was his beliefs in equality that got him killed, but his beliefs in peace. Such an influential person speaking directly against a matter that the government is involved in was probably his undoing. A lot of people get the misconception that Martin Luther King Junior was only about civil rights for blacks. He was about civil rights for everyone, and was a believer in peace, being influenced by the likes of Gandhi. And on that note, I'll leave you with a quote from Rage Against the Machines song, "Wake up".

"They went after king when he spoke out on Vietnam. He gave the power to the havenots, and then came the shot".

**Hypnagogia** · 02-06-2010 01:50 AM

I watched a documentary that mentioned MLK being secretly communist lol. It had pictures of him with members of the Communist Party in conferences etc, I didn't give it much thought tho because I'm not American so it didn't interest me all too much. Anyways if this was true that might explain his rant about your Government considering it is Capitalist.

I can't say how credible this documentary was though and I'm not trying to convince anyone of a conspiracy (that I don't care about lol) I'm just saying that it would explain that speech.

Also yes this speech could have strongly influenced the motive for his murder that and whole lot more I'd imagine.

I know how passionate some Americans are for MLK but please don't flame me - I'm just sharing a possibility not trying to give him bad press.

**Kuhnada29** · 02-06-2010 02:07 AM

I heard something about King supporting democratic socialism. But I'm not sure how credible that is, I didn't look that part up.

King was against the Vietnam war. JFK was also against, he even had plans to withdraw the troops in vietnam. That's why I think he was killed.

I don't think it was his beliefs in equality that got him killed, but his beliefs in peace.

Yes, WHY do they NOT want peace??? Why do they kill anyone who stands for peace and wants to change the world for the better. Why do they want to create more war, more death, etc. Isn't all the money enough? what more do you want, need? Or is our world really run by right-wing nuts that really believe they are doing the right thing.

And the SAME shit is happening now with Obama. He's sent MORE troops overseas. That war over there is bullshit and you know it.

We ( America ) are the real war creators. I only see it ending badly for america if we don't stop bullying other countries.

**dajo** · 02-06-2010 02:22 AM

I don't know how you get 'America supports Hitler' out of this,...
but this was a very inspirational speech to oppose the Vietnam
War I thought. As I see it, there was actually a reason, why so
many people went on the streets in the late sixties and many great,
intellectual minds spoke out against that war.

And also, Martin Luther King wasn't an icon for only that one speech that is so famous now...
I mean he's known for his opposition to Vietnam (war), right?

**Xei** · 02-06-2010 04:21 AM

MLK made a speech about America supporting Hitler? In 1967? The same Hitler they eliminated in World War II? Two decades prior?

Thanks for your opinion.

**Kuhnada29** · 02-06-2010 05:41 AM

read the goddamn link Xei. America supported a General who IDOLIZED HITLER during that time you trolling sob.

**Universal Mind** · 02-06-2010 06:15 AM

I think this shows America's lack of support for Hitler.

Martin Luther King was a sniper in Vietnam. He shared a post with Mr. Rogers and John Denver.

**dajo** · 02-06-2010 02:03 PM

And many people, who were in the Vietnam War at one point, were strongly
and whole-heartedly against it later. Like Martin Luther King, I suppose.

Also, Saddam Hussein was supported by the US government at one point
and was then bombed out of his hole and hung out to dry at another.

@OT
I don't even know why you would bring Hitler into the game. He (MLK) is speaking
of important things that are still prevailing to this day, even though he didn't
mention anything that I haven't already heard or read a few thousand times
before.

I still don't understand this Hitler thing. I can only assume it's supposed to
'shock'. So the United States were in support of 'someone, who idolized Hitler?'
So? This is even only indirect, the United States (as have European countries)
have been supporting dictators directly for quite a few times throughout history.
It's just generally much less about 'the dark side', but much more about political
and economical interests. And on a more global scale, that's the issue.

This is the problem I see with conspiracy. Even though much might be true,
you cannot use such a leap to argue a case from. Basically it is guessing the
big picture that could explain all of what's going on, but then people are
defending and attacking that guess and the issue at hand is lost.

And this is what's happening here. You have a decent speech. Which could
spark some interesting discussion, but you have to put Hitler into the title
and put in a link that will suck in all of the people's attention. Whilest the
real issue, in my opinion, is derailed yet again. And "America supports Hitler"
is just plain misleading.

edit: not trying to attack, just my opinion

edit: here's another one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvymnF-_Pf8&NR=1

**Xei** · 02-06-2010 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

read the goddamn link Xei. America supported a General who IDOLIZED HITLER during that time you trolling sob.

WWII?

**dajo** · 02-06-2010 07:10 PM

What don't you understand?

The USA supported the Vice President of South Vietnam. He than
comes out and says that his personal hero is Adolf Hitler, yes, the
one from WWII, and that's about it.

And he said that apperently in 1970, so 25 years after that war.

edit:
And no King did not make a speech about America supporting Hitler.
That article just suggests that this is what he was talking about. Which
I don't think he did.

**StonedApe** · 02-07-2010 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

Yes, WHY do they NOT want peace??? Why do they kill anyone who stands for peace and wants to change the world for the better. Why do they want to create more war, more death, etc. Isn't all the money enough? what more do you want, need? Or is our world really run by right-wing nuts that really believe they are doing the right thing.

And the SAME shit is happening now with Obama. He's sent MORE troops overseas. That war over there is bullshit and you know it.

We ( America ) are the real war creators. I only see it ending badly for america if we don't stop bullying other countries.

This is fairly close to the truth; while right wing doesn't really encompass the whole group, they do exemplify it. We live in a world where the king/god is a violent (white) man. This is a cultural "truth" for many people. Many people are under the delusion that it is necessary for a Man(alpha-male) to be violent in order to keep all the bad people in order. They don't think of it in these terms, but somehow they have rationalized the fact that we live in a land where morality is enforced with immorality. Total insanity. You are under surveillance for your own safety. The top dogs run in violent circles and we get hit by the stray bullets.

These people have created a system through which they can justify their actions, they've even gotten most people to go along with it. But the people are catching on, and as the flow of information quickens their level of understanding increases. We will soon reach the critical level where people will realize that the power structures were set up by the same people who are on top of those structures.

**Kuhnada29** · 02-07-2010 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by stonedape

This is fairly close to the truth; while right wing doesn't really encompass the whole group, they do exemplify it. We live in a world where the king/god is a violent (white) man. This is a cultural "truth" for many people. Many people are under the delusion that it is necessary for a Man(alpha-male) to be violent in order to keep all the bad people in order. They don't think of it in these terms, but somehow they have rationalized the fact that we live in a land where morality is enforced with immorality. Total insanity. You are under surveillance for your own safety. The top dogs run in violent circles and we get hit by the stray bullets.

These people have created a system through which they can justify their actions, they've even gotten most people to go along with it. But the people are catching on, and as the flow of information quickens their level of understanding increases. We will soon reach the critical level where people will realize that the power structures were set up by the same people who are on top of those structures.

So basically order out of chaos.

**StonedApe** · 02-07-2010 09:09 AM

No, chaos out of order.

**Xei** · 02-07-2010 05:51 PM

What don't you understand?

The USA supported the Vice President of South Vietnam. He than
comes out and says that his personal hero is Adolf Hitler, yes, the
one from WWII, and that's about it.

And he said that apperently in 1970, so 25 years after that war.

And 40 years before the current date. In summary: who cares?

**Xaqaria** · 02-07-2010 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by dajo

And many people, who were in the Vietnam War at one point, were strongly
and whole-heartedly against it later. Like Martin Luther King, I suppose.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet. Martin Luther King Jr., Fred Rogers, and John Denver were never in the military. UM was (I hope) joking.

**dajo** · 02-07-2010 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Xei

And 40 years before the current date. In summary: who cares?

I don't know. I most certainly don't.
I did enjoyed that speech, though.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Don't believe everything you read on the internet. Martin Luther King Jr., Fred Rogers, and John Denver were never in the military. UM was (I hope) joking.

Haha, good. I thought it was odd.