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      Lucid aids: thinking outside the pill

      Forewarning: I'm not completely against using lucid aids in pill form. I understand that people use them, but on a personal level, I try to find out what naturally occurring plant or animal it's found in. The main reason is because I believe that ingesting vitamins and other minerals are better ingested, and not wasted as much as it's laboratory brethren.


      I'm going to name some of the more common lucid aids that people rely on, and where to find them naturally.

      Melatonin

      We all know what it does, but it's illegal in some countries. (not the USA, because the FDA...well an entirely different subject) There are ways to boost melatonin levels, and this includes the consumption of Orange Juice, Pineapple Juice, and bananas. These items stimulate the pineal gland to more melatonin, or they contain it. Amounts in blood serum increased in little as 2hours.

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      Choline

      Eggs are the bomb...not only do they contain a good source of choline and protein, they're a good source of tryptophan. I mentioned protein because some of these vitamins and minerals need protein to be digested. As for you vegetarians and vegans, you'll have to settle for spinach and cauliflower.

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      Vitamin B6

      I think people take waaaay too much of this stuff, and I know what you're going to say (mainly to the people living in the US), but listen: 100mg is the upper limits to take for that...in the US. In Japan, it's half that. Again, I'm not saying that the FDA is garbage, but it's garbage. I mean, we only need about 1.4mg of the stuff, and that can be found in red peppers, garlic, basil and parsley. My advice would be to just sprinkle a little garlic powder in whatever you're cooking from time to time and you'll be okay.



      Tryptophan

      Turkey, peanuts, liver....which brings us to....

      Apple Juice It's been talked about, and honestly I'm not sure why people are getting lucid off of it. A regular apple has 1.3 mg of Tryptophan, which is horribly low (at least compared to at least 200 other foods that contain more) and that gets vaporized when it's turned into juice. It also has B5 and B6, but both are very negligible. If anyone has any proof, as far as what it contains that may help, be my guest to inform me with sources of course.


      Update provided by CanisLucidus:
      Apple juice has lots of sugar which will induce a spike in insulin. Insulin transports branched-chain amino acids (BCAAs) into the muscles of your body. That's step 1.

      Step 2 is a transport protein called CD98. It's responsible for transporting BCAAs, tyrosine, and tryptophan. With fewer BCAAs competing for CD98, more tryptophan gets carried to the brain, where it can be converted to serotonin.
      There are more lucid aids that people rely on but I think this is a good base template to see if this helps anyone in the dreaming department. I'll probably end up increasing the list size over time depending on feedback, and results from the community. Either way 'hope this helps'.
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      Should add Sesame Seeds to that too. The best way to eat them is by eating Tahini (just ground up sesame seeds).
      They contain that highest amount of tryptophan of any food.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Auron View Post
      Apple Juice It's been talked about, and honestly I'm not sure why people are getting lucid off of it. A regular apple has 1.3 mg of Tryptophan, which is horribly low (at least compared to at least 200 other foods that contain more) and that gets vaporized when it's turned into juice. It also has B5 and B6, but both are very negligible. If anyone has any proof, as far as what it contains that may help, be my guest to inform me with sources of course.
      Nobody knows for sure, but my feeling on this is that it's largely about the carbs. Apple juice has lots of sugar which will induce a spike in insulin. Insulin transports branched-chain amino acids (BCAAs) into the muscles of your body. That's step 1.

      Step 2 is a transport protein called CD98. It's responsible for transporting BCAAs, tyrosine, and tryptophan. With fewer BCAAs competing for CD98, more tryptophan gets carried to the brain, where it can be converted to serotonin.

      That's the most convincing explanation that I've found for what makes apple juice work. It also tells you that a lot of other foods probably work pretty well, too! I had good luck with my one try w/ mangoes... apart from winding up with the horrible affliction of mango mouth!
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      I need sources guys. Not that I don't believe you two, but you know.

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      Sure thing, man, I totally get that. Here's a layman's explanation: What Causes Thanksgiving Sleepiness Basically, this carbohydrate effect is believed to be the source of Thanksgiving sleepiness.

      For a scholarly study, check out this 2003 MIT paper: Effects of normal meals rich in carbohydrates or proteins on plasma tryptophan and tyrosine ratios

      Dietary carbohydrates produce major, insulin-mediated decreases in the branched-chain amino acids but lesser reductions in plasma tryptophan, thus raising the plasma tryptophan ratio (6, 9, 10) and facilitating tryptophan’s entry into the brain (13).
      The above, from the MIT paper, sums it up pretty well I think.

      Again, as with many lucid aids, there is some speculation involved. That's sort of the nature of the beast given where we are in understanding biochemistry, sleep, and dreaming. But this mechanism is pretty plausible for explaining why AJ rocks (and boosts serotonin at the beginning of the night.)
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      Sorry it took me a year to get back to this....updated with info.

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      My friend once told me eating KFC was good for lucid dreaming, because of how the chicken was made.

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