Science provides explanations; information. |
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I don't mean this to be contentious, Im seriously interested. |
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Science provides explanations; information. |
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Last edited by Darkmatters; 02-05-2010 at 12:06 PM. Reason: Obsessive/Compulsive Editing Disorder
I'm not exactly sure. I think that in order to be considered a spiritual person |
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Last edited by Darkmatters; 02-05-2010 at 11:33 AM.
Spirituality is an exploration of the self. To grow physically is to extend outwards into the material world. To grow spiritually is to grow 'inwards' towards the self. Hinduism calls this Atman/Brahman. Atman is the self as it is experienced in this life; the self recognized by a human body. Brahman is the "One Self" of all things. Ultimately, Atman and Brahman are the same. Atman is merely a projection of Brahman. |
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Last edited by Darkmatters; 02-05-2010 at 01:18 PM.
Sounds very Buddhist to me. It is just a matter of language and semantics. We now call the soul 'ego'. We now call spirit 'consciousness'. Spirituality and science are both methods for discovering the truth. And when you strip away the dogma and ignorance of either approach you will find that they are discovering the same truth, through different approaches. Science looks outward into matter and asks "how?". Spirituality looks inward at consciousness and asks "why?". Science cannot answer why. Spirituality cannot answer how. But they are both a quest for truth and they do overlap, just using different words and different methods. |
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I don't think these are simple seperate things in the world. |
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You are already spiritual as far as I am concerned. Maybe not the most spiritual, but you're not 100% materialistic either. Spirituality as I understand will always make you feel 'connected'. |
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Juroara, you always surprise me and I find myself agreeing with everything you say. |
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I think if you can't feel anything at all, or if your just a shell, then you've lost your soul. |
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“The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.” - Albert Einstein
Based on several of the statements made about souls/spirits here, this really is a semantics deal. What does 'supernatural' mean to you, Dark Matters? You made it clear that you think that something like the soul would have to exist outside of the natural order of things, which lends some insight into what you think a soul has to be in order to be called a soul or spirit. What if, some years from now, we discovered a way to measure it (assuming of course that it exists at all)? If anything exists in the first place it is already a part of the natural order of things. But that's why I'm asking that you explain what you mean when you say things like that. |
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Sorry, I didn't think that others might not be clear on why I call it that. I call the soul the ego because the what is usually meant by the soul is an individualized spirit. Right? A soul is an individual, right? Someone is a lost soul. When people lose their ego they feel like they are losing their soul. |
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"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality. When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages, when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling, that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual. So are our emotions in the presence of great art or music or literature, or acts of exemplary selfless courage such as those of Mohandas Gandhi or Martin Luther King, Jr. The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both." |
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- Are you an idiot?
- No sir, I'm a dreamer.
but aren't observable objects what create our subjective inner? something feels a certain way (we are conscious) because of the brain's objective composition. neurons, electrical signals etc. |
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Last edited by strael; 02-06-2010 at 03:46 AM.
to me...the idea of a soul as something that lives on after you die was simply an answer to the fear of death (im meaning in the way op refered to one). If such a thing does exist...it will be considered supernatural until it can be measured...if some kind of machine invented can measure it, then suddenly its natural and science can study it. Until that day, no, of course there is no need for one. |
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I guess some may think of it that way, others (not me i am agnostic in everything) have a different type of way seeing things. You don't die because you can never die. One picture is gone, another shows up. Life is not the end, nor is it the start, it's just a moment just like when you die, a moment. I don't think i will ever stop being an agnostic in these types of things because there are too many unanswered questions. Life really is a moment though. There is no past, there is no future, there is only the moment. A future is brought on by the chain of events your life brings as it's moment changes to another moment, and another moment. Life does not go the way we plan for a reason. If i had to believe in 1 thing though, i would believe my " Life is not the end, nor is it the start, it's just a moment" line. But belief and the real thing are much different. Obviously something as big as this we cannot ever understand with our brain, so we go the simple approach which is "you live after you die". |
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Ah sorry, I should have worded it differently, so he wouldn't think I was pushing my objective-based-consciousness opinions onto him. |
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I don't see the point in asking what's the meaning of life. The question itself is meaningless. Really, what possible satisfactory answer could there be? "We're training to go to heaven", "We're reincarnating over and over again to attain nirvana", the question of meaning could be applied to these answers themselves. Like enquiring about the origin of things, it comes back to an endless loop. |
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- Are you an idiot?
- No sir, I'm a dreamer.
Wow... some incredible responses here!!! I can't respond in detail to all of them - I'd be here all night doing that -- but you've given me a lot to think about and look into. |
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The meaning of life is to find out the meaning of life. Or the object of the game is to find out the object of the game! HaHaHa! |
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I like this breakdown much, nice Xagaria. |
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When I began contemplating the spirit, I first turned my attention to the places that the word had worked its way into our (western) culture. What does one mean when they talk of "raising ones spirit(s)", "the spirit of '76", "team spirit", etc.? |
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