Thread: Why do europeans/North americans have such disregard for their own culture compared to others.

I'm not sure if this happens to quite the same extant in the US but it certainly happens in most of europe (apart from the netherlands it now seems).

How come when europeans say they want to preserve their culture, and that immigrants should adapt to our way of life (if they come at all) they are often shot down as 'racists' why do they care about others more than themselves?

You wouldn't hear many saudis saying "you're racist for opposing the building of that church/synagouge". I'm not saying they should sacrafice their culture to bow down to christians, but why do europeans do it?

Just a little supplementary video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

The US for the most part is just a big mixed culture any way. Did you know that English isn't even the official language of the US(we don't have one)?

I would say most of it stems from people trying to be political correct and tip toeing around the issue. Most people probably do care, they just don't want to hurt any one, so they don't say anything.

Indeed it is, but canada then? Actually it's not even the official language here either, so technically Welsh is the only official language of the UK

So they'd rather their culture disolve than try to stop the disolving

Well for one, people don't think that far ahead. So they probably don't even realize it. Secondly, I wouldn't say their culture is dissolving. Just because there is more people from a different culture than from your own, doesn't make your culture any less important.

People were once worried of over population of the earth, but if you look at trends the entire birthrate across the entire planet has been dropping. Eventually it should stabilize and even out.

The video is basically nonsense, as anybody who lived in Europe could tell you. The facts are either totally wrong or huge distortions. I found a good page about it here:

http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/20...s-fiction.html

Do you really need me to point out to you what this kind of propaganda about an ethnic minority subverting a national culture leads to?

Besides, we already traded in most our culture for snickers and fruit loops.

Originally Posted by Alric

People were once worried of over population of the earth, but if you look at trends the entire birthrate across the entire planet has been dropping. Eventually it should stabilize and even out.

Source needed. This is contradictory to what I have read.

[QUOTE=Xei;1444448]The video is basically nonsense, as anybody who lived in Europe could tell you. The facts are either totally wrong or huge distortions.
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As someone who does live in europe, I can say it's not nonsense, admittedly I noticed one or two distortions but the general message is true. I'm not sure if you've ever stepped out of cambridge, but if you had then you should know, ever been to bradford? birmingham? leicester? London? Even small towns have a large noticable muslim population.

Originally Posted by Thatperson

So they'd rather their culture disolve than try to stop the disolving

Culture isn't something you have to preserve or that is in danger of dissolving. Culture is an evolving framework in which human beings operate socially. Perhaps you are confusing culture with traditions.

I thought this would happen, rather than contribute you've just decended into pure sarcasm.

Originally Posted by Thatperson

I thought this would happen, rather than contribute you've just decended into pure sarcasm.

You completely ignored Xei's and my other post.

sorry I thought I had already posted but DV was playing up earlier, it was a longer post but i'll just summarise

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...y-binding.html

It already has its foot in the door so to speak, it won't happen overnight. I would bet soon all fast food chains adopt a policy of only halal meat, it'll happen one step at a time. Even if constitutionaly European countries remain secular I don't want to live in a society where the majority of people are intolerent to things such as homosexuality, free speech, alcohol (even as a teetotaler), and various other aspects of our traditional european ways of life.

Where have you seen it, where birthrates have been increasing globally? Everything I have seen, shows that birthrates in industrial nations dropping over time, which is causing the entire global birthrate to drop over time as more countries become more industrial. I know that the united nations have some studies on this if you want to check. They also list world wide births remaining at a constant for the last 10-15 years. Which is a decrease in the rate, since we had more people but the number of births stayed the same.

For clarification though, I am not saying the population is dropping. Just the birthrate. The actual population will continue to increase for another 50-100 years depending on the study. Though most are expecting it to stabilize and population to level off. Some even predict that once we hit that point the population of the planet will start dropping once again.

@Alric
I found that UN source. There are different hypotheses, though. A future
exponential increase as we have seen in the last 200 years is a possible
scenario, and so is a stabilization or decline, depending on different factors.
I guess it's difficult to tell. On a different site they said that predictions
range from 106 billion to 400 million in 2043.

It is possible. However, current trends for the last 10-15 years have shown a reduction in birthrates, and a leveling off of growth instead of an exponential increase.

A lot of things can obviously change in a 100 years. Though most predictions think it will level out, and most debate is if it will be in 20-50 years, or on the higher scale of a 100 years.

Any way, the reason I mentioned it, is because the video talked about a slowing in birthrates. Which they make seem like a horrible thing, but which is really probably a good thing. We should be hoping that rates continue to drop and growth levels out.

Otherwise the numbers rebound and we start having real problems with over population. Things are bad now, we really don't want double the population. At least, not until we have better technology to keep up with it.

Originally Posted by Thatperson

Why do europeans/North americans have such disregard for their own culture compared to others.

They do and don't. The thing is that uncontrolled immigration will crush a culture. Not a bad thing? Incorrect. When uncontrolled it can dissolve borders, which disintegrates sovereignty. This is what you would call globalization, which immigration is a tool that can be utilized to reinforce the concept. If everyone had the same culture, then on a technical basis, there is no culture, which all culture is destroyed.

I would think that the countries most vulnerable to uncontrolled immigration are democratic-like societies, such as the U.S. and European countries.

Originally Posted by Alric

Well for one, people don't think that far ahead. So they probably don't even realize it. Secondly, I wouldn't say their culture is dissolving. Just because there is more people from a different culture than from your own, doesn't make your culture any less important.

People were once worried of over population of the earth, but if you look at trends the entire birthrate across the entire planet has been dropping. Eventually it should stabilize and even out.

I agree with the dissolution thing. Look how things typically regarded as being black culture have contributed to society. Different cultures can coexist quite nicely, really, unless those cultures are total opposites, in which case it would be more common to have that culture living as an island, instead of an integrated part of society (Muslim citizens seem closer to that mark, though I wouldn't say the culture is incompatible with our own, just not as well understood as it should be).

As for the birth rate, it will level off...shortly after we meet and plow right through the world's carrying capacity, face widespread famine and revolt, and extreme population reduction via the massive supervirus that WILL ultimately spread across all of humanity, one way or another. Once we're down to half a billion people, I imagine the birth rate will decline quite nicely, especially after the supervirus runs its course, mutates into a slightly less devastating form, and charges back across the world.

Personally, I'm kind of sick to death with American culture. Freedom is good, and so is having sex everywhere (well, in my opinion), but some of the other aspects are maddening. Change is not always a bad thing.

This is an example of just how unstable multicultural societies are.

Are you trying to insinuate that it isn't the religous extremists that cause the instability, but the fact that there is multiple races/religions/backgrounds that live in one area that causes the instability?

Tell you what, let us create a country composed entirely of Arab, religous extremists. Surely, it should be stable and peaceful, right?

I honestly don't think we will ever hit the earths carrying capacity. Earths carrying capacity is basically defined by how much food we can constantly produce. Having enough food for everyone, has never been a problem, and we have the ability to produce more and more food all the time.

We have a much bigger disruption problem, with getting food to the people who need it. The problem isn't in producing food itself. Our country pays people not to grow food, because we produce to much of it already. You really believe we are going to run out of food and die off? I just don't see it.

Originally Posted by Thatperson

Why do europeans/North americans have such disregard for their own culture compared to others.

I don't know, and I don't care.

Universal Mind, the strange thing is, I make this thread, then you make one raising the same concerns then say "I dont know, I don't care" here, this thread was meant to be about why do north americans and europeans have disregard for the fact that islamification is occuring, just worded slightly differently.

Originally Posted by Thatperson

Universal Mind, the strange thing is, I make this thread, then you make one raising the same concerns then say "I dont know, I don't care" here, this thread was meant to be about why do north americans and europeans have disregard for the fact that islamification is occuring, just worded slightly differently.

Umm, Islam isn't a culture, it is a religion. Two completely different things.

Originally Posted by Thatperson

Universal Mind, the strange thing is, I make this thread, then you make one raising the same concerns then say "I dont know, I don't care" here, this thread was meant to be about why do north americans and europeans have disregard for the fact that islamification is occuring, just worded slightly differently.

My previous post was a joke. Think about it.

Spoiler for joke explanation:

I expressed disregard for my culture in answering a question about why Americans and Europeans have disregard for their cultures.

The real answer is that Americans and Europeans generally see their societies as mulitcultural and don't feel threatened by rises of cultures, unless they were adults in the American South before 1970.

but you made a thread suggesting that you did feel threatened with a culture (ilamic) rising.

Multicultural = lack of culture = fail

Originally Posted by Thatperson

but you made a thread suggesting that you did feel threatened with a culture (ilamic) rising.

Multicultural = lack of culture = fail

At first, I just posed the question because of the talk that's getting louder and more powerful. Then I got into the discussion and expressed my views concerning radical Islam with its Sharia Law, sensitive vagina aches that result in violence, will for totalitarianism, and terrorism. I have a major problem with that stuff. My joke just then was just a joke, and my serious explanation concerned our societies in general. Personally, I want radical Islam to go back to ancient times and shut up. Really, I am not a big fan of religion at all since it can result in such things. But right now, the radical elements of Islam are far worse than the radical elements of any other major religion. Christians are not forming or participating in large organizations that are trying to blow up airplanes or get their hands on WMD's and blow up Western cities in the name of their god. Christians used to think like that, but they evolved a great deal, though not enough in many cases. I think a lot of Muslims are pretty evolved, but their religion still involves a very big faction that is a huge danger to the world right now.

So, don't associate me with most of my society. I have a huge problem with radical Islam and with all religious nuts who can't mind their own business.

Aside from that, I really don't give a shit. Well, I do wish modern music didn't suck so bad.

Originally Posted by Thatperson

Universal Mind, the strange thing is, I make this thread, then you make one raising the same concerns then say "I dont know, I don't care" here, this thread was meant to be about why do north americans and europeans have disregard for the fact that islamification is occuring, just worded slightly differently.

Islamification? Um...that sounds...kind of racist. Horrors! Someone has a different religion than you do! Perhaps you should treat them differently and view them as a threat to your culture and lifestyle! Tolerance is the enemy!!

Get real.

Quite frankly, I don't care if it is happening. It takes many kinds to make this world...and different cultures tend to have things to contribute. Whether that be tasty food or a fresh new point of view or anything even remotely different or interesting, it doesn't matter. It does no harm. Nothing is being destroyed or lost...cultures just evolve. Our culture allows immigration to occur. Foreigners aren't doing anything to our culture that we aren't doing to it ourselves.

As long as people leave me the hell alone, they can think what they want, do what they want, eat what they want, believe what they want, and so on. I'm more concerned about the freaking Jehovah's Witnesses than Muslim people. At least Muslims don't bang on my door and try to preach their faith to me. At least I don't see crowds of Muslims protesting abortion clinics.