Ask my opinion about vaccinations.

[Dannon Oneironaut]

I got into an off-topic debate in another thread so I decided to continue the debate here. IT is about the side-effects of vaccinations. Spoiler for Here is just some information:: A 1992 study published in The American Journal of Epidemiology shows that children die at a rate 8 times greater than normal within three days after getting a DPT vaccination. A preliminary study by the Center for Disease Control (CDC) found children who received the HiB vaccine ... were found to be 5 times more likely to contract the disease than children who had not received the vaccine. In the New England Journal of Medicine July 1994 issue a study found that over 80% of children under 5 years of age who had contracted whooping cough had been fully vaccinated. In 1977 Dr Jonas Salk (inventor of the Salk polio vaccine) testified with other scientists that 87% of the polio cases which occurred in the US since 1970 were the by-product of the polio vaccine. The Sabin oral polio vaccine (OPV) is the only known cause of polio in the us today. The February 1981 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association found that 90% of obstetricians and 66% of pediatricians refused to take the rubella vaccine. The pro-vaccination side is all that is offered in the media, schools, doctor’s offices, PHS, and all government publications. This is a biased one-sided view of vaccinations based much on manufacturer’s studies and writings. The other side is rarely discussed and adverse events after vaccination are dismissed as a one-in-a-million chance which is a necessary risk we all have to take. The truth is that the risks are far greater than they are telling us, and there are no mandatory vaccines. Extreme pressures are placed on parents for not signing permission and accepting all responsibility for the toxic vaccines. Yet, doctors cannot guarantee the safety of vaccines or that they will even work. Many vaccinations fail to achieve their intended level of immunity and many cause horrible complications (including death) which one will have to suffer for the rest of their life. The trade-off is not wroth the risk. Mumps and measles are innocuous childhood diseases, but the vaccines have caused cancer, diabetes, brain damage, leukemia, autism, and even death (SIDS). This information is to provide a balance against the pro-vaccination literature which is easily available. Anti-vaccination philosophies are sometimes difficult to find and anti-vaccinationists are called names in an attempt to discredit their reasoning. One must concede that both sides are biased in their views, however skewed. Truth is what is needed and that seems to be lacking in the pro-vaccination literature. If vaccines were good for us, there would be no reason for dishonesty and deceit. If vaccines were safe and effective there would be no issue here. Anti-vaccination literature only wants to support the truth and honestly tell the facts as they really are. Only by becoming educated in this very important issue can one make an informed decision. Yet, every day parents are asked to roll up Johnny’s sleeve with very little consideration as to what their permission is for. Few people realize that vaccines are grown on monkey kidneys, mice brains and chicken embryos. Few people realize the dire consequences of injecting foreign animal tissues (DNA/RNA) and the auto-immune reactions they can induce. Few people realize that vaccines are immune depressing and may cause cancers, leukemias and even have been linked to AIDS. Only by keeping people in the dark (ignorant to the ill-effects of vaccinations) can vaccination profit-levels be kept high. Parents are purposefully not given the facts concerning vaccines, or they are given altered data and only the glossy side of the pro-vaccine issues. A one-sided view is delivered to parents who are not being educated or informed, but it favors vaccinations! Ignorance may be bliss, but not in vaccination issues, where death and severe damage may ensue. Many people do not even know (nor are they told) that vaccines are grown on animal organs and contain foreign DNA/RNA of those animals. Vaccinations are blood products and hazardous to our immune system. The medical literature is full of citations linking vaccines to many diseases, both causally (cause-associated) and temporally (time-associated). Yet, people erroneously assume that because vaccines are mandated by law that the government is verifying to their safety and effectiveness. Nothing can be further from the truth, since the government relies on the data from the manufacturers for the vaccine safety studies and coaxes to their research for vaccine effectiveness. Few people realize that vaccines have been linked with brain damage, lowered IQ, ADD, learning disabilities, and autism. Yet, neurological disorders are among the most listed and studied vaccine complications in the medical literature. Unvaccinated children have a level of health that is unsurpassed by "normal" children, because they have not had their immune systems depressed or tampered with by vaccines. Unvaccinated children have higher IQs and less brain dysfunction than "normal" children. Unvaccinated children are truly healthy in every way possible. Few parents are told of the real consequences of vaccines, but only that they "prevent" disease. Yet, the truth is that vaccines cause more diseases than they "prevent". Vaccines are not safe and effective as we are led to believe. Their prevention of disease is more myth than reality as we will see how they manipulate the data and facts to make vaccines appear to "work". We will look at why vaccines are bad for our health and why .... Vaccines Prevent Health. 2) Vaccine Production, Allergies and Harmful Ingredients- Everyday millions of children are lined up and injected with toxic putrid substances grown on animal organs, cancer cells, aborted fetuses and other toxic substances. Few people are questioning how those viruses were obtained and how they were grown in a laboratory. If one would ask these sensible questions, one would become very enlightened about vaccine production. I warn you now, discussing vaccine-production will turn your stomach. Vaccines are made from the most vilest and filthiest substances on the earth. Since the definition of abomination is "anything that is filthy", the term describes vaccinations adequately and truthfully. The vaccine "cauldron" is full of putrid junk from bodies exposed to disease and excreting morbid purulence. Science gathers this junk up in hopes of making vaccines for "preventing" disease; and we are being fooled while vaccinations cause increases in diseases. First, pathogenic (disease-causing) viruses will not grow on healthy "soil" (the medium). If the environment is correct within our body, the virulent viruses and disease-causing germs will not grow. For example, hepatitis virus does not grow on a side-walk, nor in a healthy person. To make the vaccine, the manufacturers have to get the virus from somewhere, so they get them from persons with hepatitis. Makes sense. [The first hepatitis vaccines (of the 70s) were grown from the blood of the gay community, since they had high levels of hepatitis.] Today, they are much more "sophisticated", they just gather up bodily excrements from persons with hepatitis and culture the virus. Which excrements? ... Use your imagination: urine, blood, feces, pus and other excrements. In vaccine production anything goes. (How about cadaver organs and blood of persons who died of hepatitis?) Once the virus is gathered, it must be grown on a toxic medium ... remember pathogens will not grow on healthy tissue. The medium used is generally animal organs and tissues combined with the proper culture medium and "nutrients". BHK (baby hamster kidney) cells, monkey kidneys, HeLa cells (cancer cells from Henrietta Lacks), aborted fetal tissues (used in the rubella vaccine called RA 27/3) and other animal organs are used in vaccine production. [Remember it is the foreign animal genetic materials which make vaccines so dangerous.] Once the virus has been grown, it is inactivated with formaldehyde (a potent carcinogen) or other agent. Other substances (adjuvants) may be added to the vaccines, like mercury (thiomersol), phenol, aluminum, antibiotics, and other ingredients which promote the vaccine’s effectiveness. All these substances are unnatural, synthetic, and immune suppressing, and some are even carcinogenic. The production of vaccine ‘lymph’ has been the main function of producing vaccines in the laboratory. Viruses don’t grow well in healthy individuals and toxic (un-healthy) cultures must be used. For example, mice bred to get cancer don’t get cancer unless they are fed a nutrient deficient diet. Now that means that we don’t have to get cancer either, as long as we eat a good nutritious diet. (See Psalms 139:14) Therefore, first viruses are grown in toxic culture medium, which supports there activity and allows their grown and metabolism. Most pathogens live under anaerobic (toxic) conditions (absence of oxygen) and would die in the presence of oxygen. Therefore, as one builds health, develops good nutrition and exercise (breathing), more oxygen is delivered to the tissues and pathogens cannot grow there. This is what we mean when we say it is the "soil" which is important to our health. "The terrain is everything", Pasteur conceded on his death bed. Yet vaccine production includes many un-natural and toxic ingredients, which we would never knowingly put into our body. Naturopathic principles (and common sense) do not include the injection of viruses grown on toxic animal tissues. Vaccinations are biological agents made from the filth of the earth, from diseased organs and sick animals and people. These toxins are injected in a person in order to increase their antibodies against that disease and produce immunity. Yet, scientist have very little understanding of what immunity is and what makes a strong immune system. Nutrition is key in any immune enhancing program, but they ignore nutrition (herbs/vitamins/foods) in favor of profitable injections. Vaccines do more to "sensitize" than to "immunize" for they contain many toxic ingredients which cause sensitizing reactions, like allergies and anaphylaxis. As you read these citations, think about the sensitizing effects of those toxic (foreign) substances present in vaccines. Mercury has been cited as causing auto-immune conditions and increases the ANA titre (used to diagnose Lupus). Allergy/anaphylaxis is merely severe sensitization to the materials present in vaccines. All vaccines depress the immune system and contain harmful and toxic ingredients which may cause allergic or sensitizing reactions. But how can depressing the immune system create immunity to disease? We are fooled if we think that it can. Vaccines Prevent Heath! Allergies have been said to be related to the larger protein molecules circulating within our blood stream, and vaccinations place large (foreign) sized protein molecules with in the blood stream. During the process of digestion these protein molecules are broken down so that circulating immune complexes are not a problem. Leaky gut syndrome is linked to allergies because it allows the gut to pass large protein molecules into the blood stream. These are then filtered out by the lymph-nodes and may cause problems there such as lymphadenitis. Clogged lymphatics cannot support the cellular immune system composed of the white blood cells and lymph. Therefore, allergies compromise the immune system and reduce immunity. The lymph also carries nutrients to the tissues and is the transportation medium for fats in our body. Every cell needs high quality fats, which should come from unprocessed foods and natural sources. Horowitz states, "Most parents who feed their children properly would not let them eat a food which contained any of the many ingredients of immunizations." Koren noted, "Some of the ingredients in childhood vaccines are: thimerosal (mercury disinfectant/preservative), aluminum (additive to promote antibody response), formaldehyde (disinfectant), ethylene glycol (antifreeze) phenol (disinfectant, dye) benzethonium chloride (antiseptic) and methylparaben (antifungal, preservative).

[Caprisun]

Where is this from? I can already tell from a glance that it seems to be a little outdated. Actually, very outdated. Also very one-sided. A truely unbiased source wouldn't go on a vendetta against vaccinations when they obviously do have benefits, something the author deliberately omitted (you can't tell us to find it for ourselves like the author does.) What you should present is an artile written by someone with the proper credentials and is willing to give credence to both sides of the issue, because it isn't nearly as one-sided as you have it written above. Something like a peer-reviewed journal article, rather than something that reads like a blog that could have been written by anyone on this site. "Yet, scientist have very little understanding of what immunity is and what makes a strong immune system. Nutrition is key in any immune enhancing program, but they ignore nutrition (herbs/vitamins/foods) in favor of profitable injections." He isn't a scientist, yet he knows better than scientists? "But how can depressing the immune system create immunity to disease? We are fooled if we think that it can. Vaccines Prevent Heath!" What would be the point if they didn't somehow prevent disease? Does he think we have been needlessly hindering our immune systems all of these years just to make life more interesting? Obviously there was a need for vaccinations and obviously they work to a certain extent.

[Dannon Oneironaut]

Yes, the opinions are biased, but the statistics are not. That is what I was interested in the most sharing, were the statistics. Let's see. It is by Dr. Mercola, whoever he is, and it is written in 2007. I am looking for more statistical information right now, or after I eat dinner.

[Caprisun]

Yes, the opinions are biased, but the statistics are not. That is what I was interested in the most sharing, were the statistics. Let's see. It is by Dr. Mercola, whoever he is, and it is written in 2007. I am looking for more statistical information right now, or after I eat dinner. But the statistics are very outdated, especially for a scientific study. I just turned in a very large research report on airport security in America, and our professor would not allow us to use any sources from before 2008. The most recent study cited above is 1994, the oldest was 1977 I believe. Surely there are some more recent studies, or is the anti-vaccine information that scarce? If that is the case, then there is probably good reason. If you are trying to fairly present the anti-vaccine viewpoint here, you need to do it objectively. Citing one random individuals rant isn't going to do you very much good. You need a completely objective case study. No sensational commentary, just the facts with no attachement to the outcome. Here's what google tells me about Dr. Mercola. In his words, just to "balance the bias." --"While certain advice, such as good diet and exercise, are not so criticized, he promotes a variety of scientifically unproven alternative medicine as replacements for the science-based pharmaceutical approaches he mostly discourages." --"He claims unproven alternative treatments such as chelation therapy, acupuncture, auriculotherapy, cranial osteopathy, homeopathy, and laser-assisted detoxifying are frequently superior to conventional approaches however he has never directly advertised these services." --"Mercola.com is a horrible chimera of tabloid journalism, late-night infomercials, and amateur pre-scientific medicine.... Unfortunately, it is also one of the more popular alternative medicine sites on the web and as such is uncommonly efficient at spreading misinformation." --"Josephy Mercola is an osteopath whose main practice is the selling of a lifestyle that he characterizes as "natural." Much of his advice is in opposition to science-based medicine. His dietary advice conflicts with the advice of science-based organizations such as the American Diabetes Association and the American Heart Association. Mercola claims that diabetics should avoid all grains because they cause insulin resistance, and he recommends eating unprocessed saturated fats. In fact, he advises everybody to give up grains and eat foods that our pre-agricultural ancestors might have eaten, supplemented, naturally, by some of the many products he sells. Mercola promotes his "alternatives" to a healthy diet and science-based medicine on his website, in his newsletter, and in books. No one should fault Mercola for advocating eating a healthy diet and exercising, but his diet is questionable and his opposition to prescription drugs and surgery seems clearly unwarranted in light of the obvious benefits of both. His beliefs about the dangers of microwaved food (that it alters the structure of food and ruins its nutritional value) and his beliefs about EMFs in general are unfounded.* His promotion of Emotional Freedom Technique is based more on emotion than science.*" --"Mercola is one of the leaders of the anti-vaccination movement (AVM). His website has links to many anti-vaccination articles and he has posted some articles himself that, in the words of one science-based physician, reveal "his exceptionally poor grasp of the immune system."* He also seems to have an exceptionally poor grasp of epidemiology and pharmacology. His errors are too many to list, but here are some of the false or misleading notions he promotes about vaccines. Error 1. Too many vaccines are used too soon during infancy. Error 2. Mercury and other "toxins" in vaccines are causing great harm. Error 3. Since very few children die of the flu, they shouldn't be given the flu vaccine." --"In May 2006, BusinessWeek published an editorial about Mercola's marketing strategies. Columnist David Gumpert opined: ' Mercola gives the lie to the notion that holistic practitioners tend to be so absorbed in treating patients that they aren't effective businesspeople. While Mercola on his site seeks to identify with this image by distinguishing himself from "all the greed-motivated hype out there in health-care land", he is a master promoter, using every trick of traditional and Internet direct marketing to grow his business. (...) He is selling health-care products and services, and is calling upon an unfortunate tradition made famous by the old-time snake oil salesmen of the 1800s" --"A 2006 BusinessWeek editorial criticized Mercola's marketing practices as "relying on slick promotion, clever use of information, and scare tactics." He isn't a doctor, he is a business man with a doctorate. Hardly the type of source you want to be connected to. Im not trying to pick on you, the information just kept streaming in when I did a quick google search. There is a lot more criticism out there but I thought this was enough to at least call his legitimacy into question. Go to the "skeptic" link if you want to read more, they have quotes and information from legitimate scientific organizations that were provided in direct response to certain Mercola doctrines. http://www.skepdic.com/mercola.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mercola

[Dannon Oneironaut]

OK, I hope this qualifies: http://www.aapsonline.org/press/nr-03-02-2006.php I will continue looking for more information.

[Dannon Oneironaut]

Flu Shot Vaccine Ingredients? Source: US Federal Center for Disease Control (PDF download 84K) Influenza (Afluria) Potassium Chloride, Potassium Phosphate, Sodium Phosphate, Sodium Taurodeoxychoalate. Influenza (Fluarix) Egg Albumin (Ovalbumin), Egg Protein, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Gentamicin, Hydrocortisone, Octoxynol-10, á-Tocopheryl Hydrogen Succinate, Polysorbate 80, Sodium Deoxycholate, Sodium Phosphate, Thimerosal* Influenza (Flulaval) Egg Albumin (Ovalbumin), Egg Protein, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Sodium Deoxycholate, Phosphate Buffers, includes Thimerosal Influenza (Fluvirin) Beta-Propiolactone , Egg Protein, Neomycin, Polymyxin B, Polyoxyethylene 9- 10 Nonyl Phenol (Triton N-101, Octoxynol 9), includes Thimerosal (multidose containers), Thimerosal* (single-dose syringes) Influenza (Fluzone) Egg Protein, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Gelatin, Octoxinol-9 (Triton X-100), includes Thimerosal (multidose containers) Influenza (FluMist) Nasal Spray Live H1N1 Virus, Chick Kidney Cells, Egg Protein, Gentamicin Sulfate, Monosodium Glutamate, Sucrose Phosphate Glutamate Buffer * Where “thimerosal” is marked with an asterisk (*) it indicates that the product should be considered equivalent to thimerosal-free products. This vaccine may contain trace amounts (<0.3 mcg) of mercury left after post-production thimerosal removal, but these amounts have no biological effect. JAMA 1999;282(18) and JAMA 2000;283(16) Adapted from Grabenstein JD. ImmunoFacts: Vaccines & Immunologic Drugs. St. Louis, MO: Wolters Kluwer Health Inc.; 2009 and individual products’ package inserts.

[Dannon Oneironaut]

Spoiler for (2009)Study clearly demonstrates that aluminum found in vaccines can cause neurologic damage: Written by Roman Bystrianyk Monday, 21 September 2009 22:17 Randi Allaire was an Information Management Specialist in the military for almost four years. Three and one-half years were spent with the Air National Guard as Information Management, the previous five and half was with the Army Guard as a Flight Operations Specialist. As part of the military's program to protect their troops from chemical and biological weapons, Randi was required to take the anthrax vaccine. On March 14, 1999 she was given her fourth anthrax vaccine. It was after that shot that she has suffered chronic fatigue, memory lapses, migraines, pain in the forearms, and other aches and pains. She received no help with her condition and only denials that the anthrax vaccine could cause any of these problems and that the cause of her problems was likely the "flu" or too much "stress". She was eventually thrown out of the military because she refused to take the fifth anthrax vaccine shot in fear for her own personal health. Aluminum is the most commonly licensed adjuvant that is added to a large number of vaccines. An adjuvant is a substance added to a vaccine to amplify the immune response. Aluminum compounds, which were identified over 90 years ago as adjuvants, are considered by the pharmaceutical industry and various government agencies as safe. The FDA (Food and Drug Administration) has continued to approve the use of aluminum as an additive to vaccines for many years. Despite these assurances that aluminum and all vaccine ingredients are safe, large numbers of military veterans who suffer from Gulf War Syndrome as well as parents of children who suffer from various neurologic conditions including Autism strongly believe that the vaccines were often at least in part a cause of their health problems . A recent study in the Journal of Inorganic Biochemistry examined the possible neurotoxicity of aluminum. This new work builds on a previous study where the researchers had injected mice with a combination of aluminum and squalene, another vaccine adjuvant. In that study the investigators injected mice with adjuvants that mimicked the anthrax vaccine schedule set by the Anthrax Vaccine Immunization Program. The investigators concluded in that study"our data suggest that the aluminum hydroxide adjuvant induces both behavioral and motor deficits and the loss of motor neurons and increased presence of astrocytes [astrocytes are cells that express inflammatory markers] in spinal cord and neuronal apoptosis [cell death] in the primary motor cortex." When Professor Shaw was asked in an article by Pieta Wooley about this research Professor Shaw replied "No one in my lab wants to get vaccinated. This totally creeped us out. We weren't out there to poke holes in vaccines. But all of a sudden, oh my God-we've got neuron death!" In this new study (also termed experiment 2), mice received 6 aluminum hydroxide injections over a 2 week period. These mice along with control mice were subjected to a more rigorous behavioral testing regime than the original experiment. The investigators found "the multiple aluminum hydroxide injections of experiment 2 showed profound effects on motor and other behaviours... Multiple aluminum injections produced significant behavioural outcomes including changes in locomotion behavior, and induced memory deficits on water maze tasks." I asked Professor Shaw "To your knowledge have there been any autopsies performed on service men and women that had GWS [Gulf War Syndrome] and have died to examine if they have a similar pattern of aluminum contamination that you discovered in your research?" He responded "that it has not been done to my knowledge." I also asked "Has there been an examination of people with autism to examine the obvious likely link between aluminum and mercury contamination and that condition?" Again he responded "Not to my knowledge." It is important to note that while this and their previous study showed "significant behavioural and neuropathological outcomes with aluminum hydroxide" that these results were achieved under minimal conditions and that the effect of multiple other factors in real situation such as "stress, multiple vaccinations, and exposure to other toxins" would more than likely make the outcomes worse. "A recent study examining some of these factors in combination showed that stress, vaccination, and pyridostigmine bromide (Pyridostigmine bromide has been FDA approved for military use during combat situations as an agent to be given prior to exposure to the nerve agent Soman in order to increase survival), may synergistically act on multiple stress-activated kinases in the brain to induce neurologic impairment in GWS." I asked Professor Shaw, "In your opinion why do various governmental agencies continue to insist that vaccines are safe when you clearly state in your research paper that ‘it also seems that there have been no rigorous animal studies of potential aluminum adjuvant toxicity. The absence of such studies is peculiar given the well known observation that aluminum in general can be neurotoxic under a number of conditions and adjuvants in particular have previously been implicated in neurological disease'?" Professor Shaw replied "A less charitable person than I would likely look at links between pharma and the regulatory agencies. I don't know of any safe adjuvants. Aluminum is the one considered ‘safe'." The authors conclude, "Overall, the results reported here mirror previous work that has clearly demonstrated that aluminum, in both oral and injected forms, can be neurotoxic." I followed up with Professor Shaw "knowing what you know about aluminum from your research would you personally use a vaccine that contains aluminum?" He responded "No, and I don't." The following vaccines (vaccine name/trade name, manufacturer, and information from the product insert) contain aluminum adjuvant: Anthrax Vaccine Adsorbed/Biothrax, Emergent BioDefense Operations Lansing, Inc., "The final product is formulated to contain 1.2 mg/mL aluminum, added as aluminum hydroxide in 0.85% sodium chloride." Diphtheria & Tetanus Toxoids Adsorbed, Sanofi Pasteur Inc, "Each 0.5 mL dose is formulated to contain 6.7 Lf of diphtheria toxoid, 5 Lf of tetanus toxoid, and not more than 0.17 mg of aluminum." Diphtheria & Tetanus Toxoids & Acellular Pertussis Vaccine Adsorbed/Tripedia, Sanofi Pasteur, Inc., "Each 0.5 mL dose also contains, by assay, not more than 0.170 mg of aluminum and not more than 100 μg (0.02%) of residual formaldehyde." Diphtheria & Tetanus Toxoids & Acellular Pertussis Vaccine Adsorbed/Infanrix, GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals, "Each 0.5-mL dose contains 4.5 mg of NaCl and aluminum adjuvant (not more than 0.625 mg aluminum by assay). Each dose also contains ≤100 mcg of residual formaldehyde and ≤100 mcg of polysorbate 80 (Tween 80)." Diphtheria & Tetanus Toxoids & Acellular Pertussis Vaccine Adsorbed/DAPTACEL, Sanofi Pasteur, Ltd., "Other ingredients per 0.5 mL dose include 1.5 mg aluminum phosphate (0.33 mg of aluminum) as the adjuvant, ≤5 μg residual formaldehyde, <50 ng residual glutaraldehyde and 3.3 mg (0.6% v/v) 2-phenoxyethanol (not as a preservative)." Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Acellular Pertussis Adsorbed, Hepatitis B (Recombinant) and Inactivated Poliovirus Vaccine Combined/Pediarix, GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals, "Each 0.5-mL dose also contains 4.5 mg of NaCl and aluminum adjuvant (not more than 0.85 mg aluminum by assay). Each dose also contains ≤100 mcg of residual formaldehyde and ≤100 mcg of polysorbate 80 (Tween 80)." Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Acellular Pertussis Adsorbed and Inactivated Poliovirus Vaccine/Kinrix, GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals, "Each 0.5-mL dose contains 4.5 mg of NaCl and aluminum adjuvant (not more than 210 0.6 mg aluminum by assay). Each dose also contains ≤100 mcg of residual formaldehyde and 211 ≤100 mcg of polysorbate 80 (Tween 80)." Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Acellular Pertussis Adsorbed, Inactivated Poliovirus and Haemophilus b Conjugate (Tetanus Toxoid Conjugate) Vaccine/Pentacel, Sanofi Pasteur, Ltd, "Other ingredients per 0.5 mL dose include 1.5 mg aluminum phosphate (0.33 mg aluminum) as the adjuvant, polysorbate 80 (approximately 10 ppm by calculation), ≤5 μg residual formaldehyde, <50 ng residual glutaraldehyde, ≤50 ng residual bovine serum albumin, 3.3 mg (0.6% v/v) 2-phenoxyethanol (not as a preservative) and <4 pg of neomycin and <4 pg polymyxin B sulfate. " Haemophilus b Conjugate (Meningococcal Protein Conjugate) and Hepatitis B (Recombinant) Vaccine/Comvax, Merck & Co, Inc, "The individual PRP-OMPC and HBsAg adjuvanted bulks are combined to produce COMVAX. Each 0.5 mL dose of COMVAX is formulated to contain 7.5 mcg PRP conjugated to approximately 125 mcg OMPC, 5 mcg HBsAg, approximately 225 mcg aluminum as amorphous aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate, and 35 mcg sodium borate (decahydrate) as a pH stabilizer, in 0.9% sodium chloride. The vaccine contains not more than 0.0004% (w/v) residual formaldehyde." Hepatitis A Vaccine, Inactivated/Havrix, GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals, "Each 1-mL adult dose of vaccine consists of 1440 EL.U. of viral antigen, adsorbed on 0.5 mg of aluminum as aluminum hydroxide. Each 0.5-mL pediatric dose of vaccine consists of 720 EL.U. of viral antigen, adsorbed onto 0.25 mg of aluminum as aluminum hydroxide." Hepatitis A Vaccine, Inactivated/VAQTA, Merck & Co, Inc, "Pediatric/Adolescent Formulation (12 Months Through 18 Years of Age): each 0.5 mL dose contains approximately 25U of hepatitis A virus antigen adsorbed onto approximately 0.225 mg of aluminum provided as amorphous aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate, and 35 mcg of sodium borate as a pH stabilizer, in 0.9% sodium chloride. Adult Formulation (19 Years of Age and Older): each 1 mL dose contains approximately 50U of hepatitis A virus antigen adsorbed onto approximately 0.45 mg of aluminum provided as amorphous aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate, and 70 mcg of sodium borate as a pH stabilizer, in 0.9% sodium chloride." Hepatitis A Inactivated & Hepatitis B (Recombinant) Vaccine/Twinrix, GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals, "A 1.0-mL dose of vaccine contains 720 ELISA Units of inactivated hepatitis A virus and 20 mcg of recombinant HBsAg protein. One dose of vaccine also contains 0.45 mg of aluminum in the form of aluminum phosphate and aluminum hydroxide as adjuvants, amino acids, 5.0 mg 2-phenoxyethanol as a preservative, sodium chloride, phosphate buffer, polysorbate 20, Water for Injection, traces of formalin (not more than 0.1 mg), a trace amount of thimerosal (<1 mcg mercury) from the manufacturing process, and residual MRC-5 cellular proteins (not more than 2.5 mcg)." Hepatitis B Vaccine (Recombinant)/Engerix-B, GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals, "Pediatric/Adolescent: Each 0.5-mL dose contains 10 mcg of hepatitis B surface antigen adsorbed on 0.25 mg aluminum as aluminum hydroxide. The pediatric formulation contains sodium chloride (9 mg/mL) and phosphate buffers (disodium phosphate dihydrate, 0.98 mg/mL; sodium dihydrogen phosphate dihydrate, 0.71 mg/mL). Adult: Each 1-mL adult dose contains 20 mcg of hepatitis B surface antigen adsorbed on 0.5 mg aluminum as aluminum hydroxide. The adult formulation contains sodium chloride (9 mg/mL) and phosphate buffers (disodium phosphate dihydrate, 0.98 mg/mL; sodium dihydrogen phosphate dihydrate, 0.71 mg/mL)." Hepatitis B Vaccine (Recombinant)/Recombivax HB, Merck & Co, Inc, "All formulations contain approximately 0.5 mg of aluminum (provided as amorphous aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate, previously referred to as aluminum hydroxide) per mL of vaccine. In each formulation, hepatitis B surface antigen is adsorbed onto approximately 0.5 mg of aluminum (provided as amorphous aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate) per mL of vaccine." Human Papillomavirus Quadrivalent (Types 6, 11, 16, 18) Vaccine, Recombinant/Gardasil, Merck & Co, Inc, "Each 0.5-mL dose of the vaccine contains approximately 225 mcg of aluminum (as Amorphous Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate adjuvant), 9.56 mg of sodium chloride, 0.78 mg of L-histidine, 50 mcg of polysorbate 80, 35 mcg of sodium borate, < 7 mcg yeast protein/dose, and water for injection. The product does not contain a preservative or antibiotics." Japanese Encephalitis Vaccine, Inactivated, Adsorbed (Military & Commercial)/Ixiaro, Merck & Co, Inc, "Each dose of vaccine contains approximately 6 mcg of purified, inactivated JEV proteins and 250 mcg of aluminum hydroxide." Pneumococcal 7-valent Conjugate Vaccine (Diphtheria CRM197 Protein)/Prevnar, Wyeth Pharmaceuticals, Inc, "Each 0.5 mL dose is formulated to contain: 2 μg of each saccharide for serotypes 4, 9V, 14, 18C, 19F, and 23F, and 4 μg of serotype 6B per dose (16 μg total saccharide); approximately 20 μg of CRM197 carrier protein; and 0.125 mg of aluminum per 0.5 mL dose as aluminum phosphate adjuvant." Tetanus & Diphtheria Toxoids, Adsorbed for Adult Use, Massachusetts Public Health Biologic Lab, "Each 0.5 ml dose contains by calculation not more than 0.45 mg aluminum and less than 100 μg (0.02%) of residual formaldehyde. The aluminum phosphate functions as an adjuvant to increase the immunogenicity of the toxoids in primary immunization." Tetanus & Diphtheria Toxoids Adsorbed for Adult Use/DECAVAC, Sanofi Pasteur, Inc, "Each 0.5 mL dose also contains a trace amount of thimerosal [mercury derivative, (≤0.3 μg mercury/dose) not as a preservative] from the manufacturing process, aluminum adjuvant (not more than 0.28 mg aluminum by assay), and not more than 100 μg (0.02%) of residual formaldehyde." Tetanus Toxoid Adsorbed, Sanofi Pasteur, Inc, "Each 0.5 mL dose is formulated to contain 5 Lf (flocculation units) of tetanus toxoid and not more than 0.25 mg of aluminum. The residual formaldehyde content, by assay, is less than 0.02%." Tetanus Toxoid, Reduced Diphtheria Toxoid and Acellular Pertussis Vaccine, Adsorbed/Adacel, Sanofi Pasteur, Ltd, "Other ingredients per dose include 1.5 mg aluminum phosphate (0.33 mg aluminum) as the 15 adjuvant, ≤5 μg residual formaldehyde, <50 ng residual glutaraldehyde and 3.3 mg (0.6% v/v) 16 2-phenoxyethanol (not as a preservative)." Tetanus Toxoid, Reduced Diphtheria Toxoid and Acellular Pertussis Vaccine, Adsorbed/ Boostrix, GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals, "Each 0.5-mL dose also contains 4.5 mg of NaCl, aluminum adjuvant (not more than 0.39 mg aluminum by assay), ≤100 mcg of residual formaldehyde, and ≤100 mcg of polysorbate 80 (Tween 80)." Source: Aluminum hydroxide injections lead to motor deficits and motor neuron degeneration, Christopher A. Shaw, et al, Journal of Inorganic Biochemistry, 2009 Aug 20. [Epub ahead of print] Aluminum adjuvant linked to Gulf War illness induces motor neuron death in mice, M.S. Petrik, et al, Neuromolecular Medicine, 2007, Vol. 1, No. 9, pp. 83-100 Conversation with Professor Christopher Shaw. Christopher Shaw is Professor of Neurology and Neurogenetics at the Institute of Psychiatry, King's College London. He is also an Honorary Consultant Neurologist at King's College Hospital and Neurogeneticist at Guy's and St Thomas' Hospitals.

[Dannon Oneironaut]

“There is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza. The producers of these vaccines know that they are worthless, but they go on selling them anyway.” - Dr. J. Anthony Morris (former Chief Vaccine Control Officer of FDA)

[Dannon Oneironaut]

You keep editing your posts after I have already responded to them. That makes it confusing for me to accurately respond to them. My very first post in this thread was for citing actual objective scientific statistics, that Joseph Mercola uses them to promote his view is incidental. Be that as it may, a lot of the criticism of him that you posted (I haven't read the links you provided yet, but I will) I don't find too objectionable. for instance, that he is good at marketing. So? It says that he is an Osteopath, but you claim he is not a doctor. I agree with him that too many vaccines are used to early in infancy. What is the rush? Let the kid grow a little first. I agree that Mercury in vaccinations does do harm. And I agree that children should not get the flu shot, especially since it is very unlikely that they will die from the flu. Instead, people should help build the kids' immune systems by limiting sugar and processed food. I also believe that there are very effective alternative medicines that should be used first. I believe that allopathic medicine should be used as a last resort. But over all, I see your point on the character of Joseph Mercola, and if I researched him more I probably wouldn't agree with him on everything. His website did feel a little sensational to me. But I am interested in the facts that he had that I posted. Let us debate on vaccinations, rather than the character of Dr. Mercola. OK, I read your links. I was surprised to see that he actually does recommend vaccinations! Here's his proposed schedule for vaccinations: No vaccinations until a child is two years old. No vaccines that contain thimerosal (mercury). No live virus vaccines (except for smallpox, should it recur). These vaccines should be given one at a time, every six months, beginning at age 2: A) Pertussis (acellular, not whole cell) B) Diphtheria C) Tetanus D) Polio (the Salk vaccine, cultured in human cells) Seems less biased than I. Seems pretty rational.

[DuB]

As long as we're listing ingredients, I took the liberty of breaking down the excerpt from the OP into its basic ingredients. --Cherry-picked studies that support an anti-vaccination point of view. (Studies and meta-analyses which directly contradict these are incredibly more numerous, so collecting this ingredient must truly have taken some time. For example, here's a survey of studies on the MMR-autism debacle, easily the most famous example of these allegations of vaccine harm. And I should add that the fact that "The Sabin oral polio vaccine (OPV) is the only known cause of polio in the US today" is a cause for celebration.) --Some stuff about how vaccine opponents are marginalized by the dominant pro-vaccine conspiracy. (Astrologists are marginalized as well, what's your point?) --Some stuff about how people make money from selling vaccines (and that they are therefore bad). --A discussion of the distasteful ingredients of vaccines which is meant to appeal to peoples' sense of disgust and is completely devoid of scientific evidence. --Overall, a bunch of dubious medical claims with 0 (zero) citations once we reach the body of the article. (Although interestingly there is a reference to the Bible.) Look, the question of the safety of vaccination is an empirical one, and with very few exceptions the evidence supports the efficacy and safety of vaccination. I'll conclude with a short list of common side effects of refusing to receive vaccinations: --Dieing early of easily preventable diseases.

[Dannon Oneironaut]

Ok, so you have educated me more on the debate of autism and vaccinations. I am uncertain about it now, there is conflicting evidence. There are two sides to the story. I will need some time to think about it. Be that as it may, this is just a small part of the whole vaccination debate. For example, I feel strongly against about how the Pharma lobbied to pass a law that now they can sell untested vaccinations. H1N1 was untested. ANd everyone reacts to the OP I made, they ask for other evidence, I provide it, and everybody keeps responding to the first one. I took the advice and searched harder for more reputable and up to date studies in scientific journals and nobody responds to them, just to the one that is easiest to discredit. Is the point here to discredit me or find out the truth? If you can show me I am wrong I will go get vaccinated for... I will get the flu shot if you can convince me. Well, no... I won't. But I like the wikipedia link Dub provided. It was interesting because it showed how controversial the topic is. But refute the other posts I made. Because I think those posts are convincing.

[DuB]

Those posts don't contain anything that I didn't already address. For the most part it's just a few more cherry-picked studies. (There is also some more of the "yucky ingredients game" and some more unsubstantiated medical claims, neither of which warrant a response beyond pointing out that they are utterly vacuous.) All you have to do is weigh those against the fraction of studies that I linked to and you have your refutation. And keep in mind that I found that list of studies in roughly the 30 seconds that it took me to find the most relevant Wikipedia article; there are a lot more where those came from. The medical evidence is pretty clear.

[Dannon Oneironaut]

Just publishing the list of ingredients is not playing the "yucky ingredients game". In that case Twinkies are playing the "yucky ingredients game" by listing their ingredients on the package. I will return soon. I would like to address the "cherry-picking" when I return.

[hgld1234]

The pro-vaccination side is all that is offered in the media, schools, doctor’s offices, PHS, and all government publications. This is a biased one-sided view of vaccinations based much on manufacturer’s studies and writings. This just happens to be one-sided too… Anyway, since when did most vaccines NOT work? Some deaseses I have been vaccinated against and not had: Measles Mumps Rubella Chichenpox Need I continue? As for the MMR and autism link, here is something the Natinol Autistic Socity (UK) says: We recognise that the weight of epidemiological evidence indicates that there is no statistically significant link between the MMR vaccine and autism. Decoded, it means that they got some results from people who study epidemics (outbreaks of diseases) and the results say there is no link.

[Dannon Oneironaut]

There is also the question of aluminum and neurological damage. The whole debate is not just reduced down to mercury=autism. I guess I should have named the thread "Tell me about Vaccinations".

[hgld1234]

From the World Health Organization (WHO) At present there is no evidence of a health risk from aluminium-containing vaccines or any justification for changing current vaccination practices. Now throw me another 'toxin' in vaccines. BTW how much research did you do? Try looking at the WHO or the NHS (UK) as they will probably your best bet. Wikipeida is probably the most two-sided but remember that anyone can edit it. Unless you actually LIKE believing false articles.

[Dannon Oneironaut]

Formaldehyde?

[ArcanumNoctis]

Screw studies that could potentially be deliberately skewed due to money being involved. It is best to go by personal experience. Lets see, I've personally seen about about fourteen people get the H1N1 vaccine at the same time. All of them had side-effects within four hours. A majority complained about bad headaches, so bad that some were considering going home to sleep and shake it off. One became rather ill a day or two after being vaccinated, which his face became flushed and he got very dizzy. The individual went home and didn't come back for few days. Additionally, I've talked with someone who said that there was a confirmed case of the H1N1 vaccine killing someone in Europe. This wasn't in the news media. People seriously need to not be so naive. When it comes to money, it could very well mean the difference between life and death. Considering the way H1N1 is *supposedly* manufacturered is the same as the regular seasonal flu vaccine, put two and two together. I wonder if there is a correlation between an increase in vaccinations and a reduction in intelligence. The study would be interesting because there is a severe lack of common sense among the masses.

[Spartiate]

Screw studies that could potentially be deliberately skewed due to money being involved. It is best to go by personal experience. Lets see, I've personally seen about about fourteen people get the H1N1 vaccine at the same time. All of them had side-effects within four hours. A majority complained about bad headaches, so bad that some were considering going home to sleep and shake it off. One became rather ill a day or two after being vaccinated, which his face became flushed and he got very dizzy. The individual went home and didn't come back for few days. Additionally, I've talked with someone who said that there was a confirmed case of the H1N1 vaccine killing someone in Europe. This wasn't in the news media. People seriously need to not be so naive. When it comes to money, it could very well mean the difference between life and death. Considering the way H1N1 is *supposedly* manufacturered is the same as the regular seasonal flu vaccine, put two and two together. I wonder if there is a correlation between an increase in vaccinations and a reduction in intelligence. The study would be interesting. I know quite a few people who got the H1N1 shot and none of them had anything but a sore arm .

[ArcanumNoctis]

I know quite a few people who got the H1N1 shot and none of them had anything but a sore arm . How many, what location, what age, and what month were they vaccinated? Nasal or needle?

[Dannon Oneironaut]

The H1N1 was not tested before it was given out. The Pharma lobbied to pass that law right before the H1N1 hit Mexico. There are a few people living in Mexico on this forum, it would be cool to hear from them. I had friends living in Mexico at the time and they didn't see anything regarding the swine flu.

[Spartiate]

How many, what location, what age, and what month were they vaccinated? Nasal or needle? Maybe a dozen in the capital region of Canada between their 20s and elderly, around November-December and by needle.

[DuB]

Screw studies that could potentially be deliberately skewed due to money being involved. It is best to go by personal experience. [...] People seriously need to not be so naive. When it comes to money, it could very well mean the difference between life and death. Considering the way H1N1 is *supposedly* manufacturered is the same as the regular seasonal flu vaccine, put two and two together. Yes, Arcanum. It is best to ignore large-scale studies conducted by medical scientists, because obviously a casual observation of the 14 acquaintances that come most readily to mind is a much more reliable way to get to the bottom of serious empirical matters such as this. I guess I was too naive to realize it before. Maybe it was all the vaccines robbing me of my common sense. Thanks for opening my eyes... keep on fighting the good fight against Evil Science!

[ArcanumNoctis]

Maybe a dozen in the capital region of Canada between their 20s and elderly, around November-December and by needle. The people I saw were vaccinated with a batch of the vaccine that was most likely purchased prior to *testing*. Around fourteen people whose ages ranged between twenty to thirty five years old. They were vaccinated in South Dakota U.S., all between late October to early November. FACT: How long was the vaccine testing period? About two weeks.

[ArcanumNoctis]

Yes, Arcanum. It is best to ignore large-scale studies conducted by medical scientists, because obviously a casual observation of the 14 acquaintances that come most readily to mind is a much more reliable way to get to the bottom of serious empirical matters such as this. I guess I was too naive to realize it before. Maybe it was all the vaccines robbing me of my common sense. Thanks for opening my eyes... keep on fighting the good fight against Evil Science! You are ridiculous, so is your sarcasm. Science isn't evil, nor is it at fault. You are wrong on so many levels, but I'm not even going to address how or why because it would derail this thread. Anyhow, you don't think it would be interesting to know if vaccines reduced intelligence? You thought I was making a personal attack with this question, but it is indeed quite serious and valid.