Is this some sort of dream? I've been doing this for at least 2 years.

**Vertebrate** · 03-03-2011 12:39 AM

I have been reading this free ebook and watching the videos. (School of Out-of-Body Travel and Lucid Dreaming)

Something I did that never added up with other information I read started to make sense to me after I started reading this guy's book.

What was happening, was, after 7-8 hours of sleep I would wake up for a minute or two, contemplate getting out of bed, but ultimately drift out of consciousness and fall asleep again. Except 15-20 minutes later I would wake up again, somehow know that it had been 15-20 minutes, and remember what happened almost like it was a dream. (Not quite the same remembering feeling, this is stronger than my normal dream recall, and I don't have to think back on what I happened.) Furthermore, the scenarios are typically extensions of previous events. It's not like a seperate dreamscape, it's almost like I pick up on the story right where I left off (there are subtle differences. occasionally the experience or plot will take rapid turns between conscious-unconscious cycles)

This usually goes on for an hour or so and then I decide to get up. After I get up I definitely lose the memories if I don't write it down right away. During the summer this happened to me every day for at least two months, I just thought it was some sort of dream. But I have read that dreams do not occur during N-REM sleep so when I started reading about LDing I never considered them to be dreams.

I assumed that I was just remembering parts of dreams from earlier in the night, but recently it has become apparent that this is not the case and this is definitely happening in the 15-20 minute periods of going in and out of consciousness.

Example Scenario (from monday morning):
{first awakening}
I was in Taco-Bell. I was wearing the drive-through microphone. Everybody's uniforms were plain white with no logos. We wore plain white visors and taco bell baseball caps. There are no customers

It turns out that this taco bell was new, and I was an employee. I don't know what my job title was, but I was probably the manager. A flood of people rush in,

{second awakening}
I have a conversation with a girl who I know. We're now both behind the counter and people are eating. I'm not actually doing my job, just talking to this girl. I can't remember specific dialog of this conversation, but it went on for the rest of the experience.

{third awakening - I realize that none of this happened and I don't work at taco bell before losing consciousness again}
I am now alone in taco bell with this girl. There are no other employees or customers. I am holding an extra large "baja blast" mountain dew. I drink it and it's the most amazing flavor ever. I tell the girl to try some, and she says she has never drank it before so she does. She didn't elicit the same reaction I did, we just went back to talking about nonsense.

{final awakening - realize that I need to pee like a racehorse}

As I said, this happens almost every morning. I usually remember a significant portion of events, however I almost never remember the dialog. I've never been lucid during one of these experiences, however I often wake up and realize that what memories are on my mind are definitely not real and then go back into the same exact not real scenario.

I am convinced it's the kind of things that the videos and book I linked to earlier are talking about. At one point he says that dreams, OBEs, and Astral Projection, are all part of "the phase" and I feel like I know what he is talking about where any time you are asleep you are still in "the phase" and can have these experiences. I'm hoping I can turn these into some sort of LD or OBE.

Any insight into this would be greatly appreciated. If anybody knows what might be going on or does the same thing I would be very happy to hear your opinion.

*A note on OBE: I haven't read anything about them, apart from the descriptions on this website. I don't believe in spirit bodies or anything like that.

Update: March 03 (1 day later)

Originally Posted by Vertebrate

This morning I had three (THREE) lucid dream experiences back to back to back using these techniques. It was so weird. I woke up, remembered to do them, and I turned to my side and seperated by imagining I was falling off my futon. The first time I seperated I didn't have vision, only depth perception. I got too excited and exited the dream. I immediately seperated again without using any techniques. This time I had vision to begin with and I touched everything in my room. It was weird, it wasn't my real room, it was much larger and there was no doorway it just went straight into the hallway.

I tested my RCs even though I knew I was lucid already, my hands were super deformed and kept being deformed every time I looked at them. Also, I was able to spread my fingers more than 180 degrees. The nose pinch felt so weird. I started looking at numbers and text and it changed very frequently.

I walked down the hallway and began to fade back to reality. I tried spinning but I was already awake, so I attempted seperation again. This time I rolled off and before I hit the ground I sort of floated upwards. When I arrived in the dreamscape I couldn't see so I began touching everything that was there. I noticed my "real body" laying on the futon, which when I started touching stood up and I had to pick it up and put it back onto the futon. By the way, there's no way I could lift myself like that, so for some reason I thought this was pretty funny. The dream was already stable so I continued to walk down the hallway and down the stairs at the end of the hallway. I met my little brother on the way, and then I ended up waking up.

At this point it was already late enough and I decided to get out of bed. These techniques are ridiculously easy. I was able to just separate 3 times in a row so I didn't have much a chance to practice the techniques. It's so weird... I just kinda fell out of my futon and into this dream world.

Off topic I guess, but I didn't expect this to turn into a lucid experience the next day.

**Caden** · 03-04-2011 03:14 AM

I'll try these techniques they sound good.

Yes those are dreams. All this talk about REM sleep I just feel is bogus. The assumption is that this REM sleep talk is "scientific" and you can't argue with that. Science's grasp on the dreaming realm is basically where science was when they thought witches were killing people and moonshine had vitamins. I have stopped counting how many times I have proven "science" wrong with dreams and OBEs. Still I am a lover of science and very logical but they are so flatly wrong in this area so much of the time. This is just plain bad science. Science never is sure of anything, that's what makes it an investigation, a scientific investigation. The best that could be said scientifically is that "it is unlikely to have dreams like that."

What you are having is dreams, I know because I have them the same way too, and I imagine others do as well. Looking around on DV you will soon see that anything that you thought was just you or one person's experience is actually something that others have found as well.

Where science is today in the realm of dreams and dreaming.

**Vertebrate** · 03-04-2011 08:36 AM

I think that the REM sleep cycle is probably just a convenient model for sleep and dreams. It's like when, in physics, you estimate projectile motion without taking air resistance into account.

On a somewhat related note, there seems to be a lot of spiritual connotation attached to OBEs. I would say from my experience this morning with my percieved body and physical body that the only reason my physical body was there was because I expected it. Otherwise, it acted like a normal DC when I touched it.