Thread: Dream Confidentiality

Originally Posted by Skillet7

Clearly I'm not getting it. Your signature reads, "Dreams are much more than just your subconscious." According to you, what are they?

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Originally Posted by hathor28

Dreams don't always mean representing as yourself,

I didn't mean to imply that all dreams are showing you representations of yourself, I was talking specifically about one dream I had, and in that case it was showing me a representation of myself.

Originally Posted by hathor28

dreams mean many things and symbols to make you understand what your subconscious is telling you.

This is all I'm saying.

Originally Posted by hathor28

I go by the subconscious, not unconscious levels, i actually don't think there is an unconscious dream or such. I speak more about the subconscious means.

Subconscious and unconscious are 2 different words for the same thing. I'm using the psychological terminology here, the unconscious as defined by Freud and everyone after him. Not to be confused with the pop culture definition which means "knocked out". For some reason shortly after Freud began publishing about it (if I remember this right) some newspaper writer misquoted it as the subconscious and that term stuck, at least for laymen. And now we have 2 interchangeable terms for the same thing that some people think have distinctly different meanings.

Originally Posted by Skillet7

(Or, perhaps one dreams he has won the lottery and awakes feeling inexplicably happy. It's the same concept.) This has led me think that the subconsciousness produces these hormones, or emotions, just like it would if the situation actually occurred in waking life, i.e. cannot distinguish between dreams and reality.

Ok, in that sense I completely agree.

I still feel like the same caveat applies though - dreams are after all made of thoughts and feelings and memories and constructed from images and sounds many of which come from waking life. So as far as the unconscious (or subconscious, whichever you prefer) is concerned there really is no difference between dreams and 'reality'. It's only the conscious mind that makes that distinction.

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

Subconscious and unconscious are 2 different words for the same thing. I'm using the psychological terminology here, the unconscious as defined by Freud and everyone after him. Not to be confused with the pop culture definition which means "knocked out". For some reason shortly after Freud began publishing about it (if I remember this right) some newspaper writer misquoted it as the subconscious and that term stuck, at least for laymen. And now we have 2 interchangeable terms for the same thing that some people think have distinctly different meanings.

How can we be unconscious in dreams when we are unconscious in real life to become asleep?
When i am dreaming, i am aware that i am. How are we asleep in dreams?

You're confusing yourself by using words too vaguely.

I haven't said anything about "being unconscious" - in fact that's the incorrect pop culture usage of the word that I just mentioned (meaning "knocked out"). I've spoken only about "the unconscious" - if it helps you can add the word mind after it to remember that I'm talking about what you call the subconscious.

But I see that you believe when we're asleep we visit other realms that are real places with real entities.

I believe what you've exerienced is what I described in a previous post - the primal and archetypal realm of the unconscious, which various cultures have called everything from The Underworld to Shambalha (sp?), and that the entities are the archetypes and various symbols.

When I hear people say that the entities they've encountered in dreams are actually real and not just dreams, I think they're not aware of the numinous and primal qualities of the unconscious and the profound nature of the experiences it can provide. What Im saying is - I don't doubt that your encounters and experiences are every bit as powerful and meaningful as you say - but I don't think you actually travelled to some actual place that exists anywhere except in your mind. People like to think of the inner mind as "just imaginary" and scoff at the idea that it's more powerful than the waking consciousness (because that thought frightens them) - so they use the tellingly belittling term "subconscious" (below the conscious) and laugh it off as if it has no more power than an ordinary daydream.

And keep in mind - as I said earlier, while those dream symbols and entities don't have any physical, material reality - they are absolutely real to the world of thought that is the mind.

I believe your unconscious communicates with you using the symbols that are the most meaningful to you - so if you believe in other realms and entities that's what you'll dream about.

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

I believe your unconscious communicates with you using the symbols that are the most meaningful to you - so if you believe in other realms and entities that's what you'll dream about.

I believe the mind is strong enough to commune with other people in dreams. Realms and entities is a bit too far for me and my taste.

My bad!

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

My bad!

I'm just going to ignore the pointless argument you guys were having. I do have a conflict with not sharing some things because I feel like my DJ on DV is my official one, I do have one that I write in but it's just side notes. I feel like if I left things out in my DJ it just wouldn't be a complete DJ. I guess that makes me sort of OCD but I feel like when I go back and read through my dreams I want to know every detail I remember. Maybe there can be a way you can make certain entries in your DJ private so only a select number of people can see that specific DJ entry? sounds like a good idea to me.

These are just dreams how a person can get confident on them,

Sharing dreams is very risky because you do not know how the other person takes it,