Thread: Does anybody want to help me with improving my daydreams?

I've said this before, but no one ever believes me. But here I go again.

Daydreams fundamentally can't be made much more real. Definitely not anywhere the realness of a dream. They can be made more real, but in terms of how many objects you can render at a time, you might be able to double or triple it. That won't get you anywhere near dream quality, unfortunately. But as far as training goes, just try holding and rotating lots of objects in your head simultaneously. If you keep pushing the limit on a daily basis, you'll see results.

I agree with Drew. Plus, if you are looking for sensory feelings in a daydream you will likely be dissapointed. And it's so easy to screw it up. Whenever I'm having a really good daydream all I have to do is even subconciously think of my own genitaila and boom! She has one and I can't make it go away like I can in a dream. Same thing with any concept in a daydream. I even think of something that would screw it up and that thing happens every time...

I prefer LDing without comparison.

For me a big problem is making items disappear in a daydream. For some reason, I can't consciously make an item just go away. I have to force a new object to replace the one I want gone. LDs don't have stupid problems like that.

Well, daydreams are just images we conjure up in our mind's eye. I have the same problem; every time I think of some annoying thought comes into my head, it appears in the daydream, and therefore impossible to get rid of.

Mandy, don't listen to the skeptics. Their wrong.

Now granted I was always a ridiculously visual person, I am an anomoly to these skeptics beliefs.

My visualizations are just as real as the real world, not to mention dreams which are also just as real when it comes to image quality as the real world.

Though I for the most part have always been this way, the brain is very plastic and can be greatly remapped with enough effort. For the results you desire, id would suggest utterly tedious, obsession like effort. Most don't accept that level of commitment and therefore it seems impossible for reach that level of quality. After all, we live in a verbal world. Pictures don't come out of our mouths after all. For me though, words are translated to and from visual images.

Let me know what exactly you want to do.

Originally Posted by Rivelli

Mandy, don't listen to the skeptics. Their wrong.

Now granted I was always a ridiculously visual person, I am an anomoly to these skeptics beliefs.

My visualizations are just as real as the real world, not to mention dreams which are also just as real when it comes to image quality as the real world.

Though I for the most part have always been this way, the brain is very plastic and can be greatly remapped with enough effort. For the results you desire, id would suggest utterly tedious, obsession like effort. Most don't accept that level of commitment and therefore it seems impossible for reach that level of quality. After all, we live in a verbal world. Pictures don't come out of our mouths after all. For me though, words are translated to and from visual images.

Let me know what exactly you want to do.

You just have lax standards for visualization. I can see how you can say that they're realistic, because they are in terms of resolution or form or whatever. The brain doesn't render images a pixel at a time like a computer. The brain constructs objects from memory. This is true in dreaming, visualization, and even when you see an object in real life. That's why you sometimes look at something once and it's one object, but the second time it's another, because your brain gave you the wrong image the first time.

The point I'm trying to make is, if you're going to compare visualization to real life imagery, you have to compare it where it varies, which is the number of objects, not the quality. Now, are you gonna sit there and tell me you can visualize a hundred different moving objects at once? If you do you're lying.

There are two kinds of visualization / visual thinking for me while awake and should be distinguished.

One is where I see projected images in the real world. For instance, someone says apple and I see an apple in the real world. This can be frustrating because something I don't know if it's tangible or not. I can also project what I want in the real world, looks completely real but there are not hundreds of them.

The other kind of visualization is the one that is more in my head. This is the one where I see my mental world and all that. It is the same mental world I go while in a lucid dream. The only difference is I am in my real body and not in my mental body. I am only in my mental body when I am sleeping, making it a real LD. In there, there are many objects as opposed to the projected one where there are only a couple.

Originally Posted by Rivelli

There are two kinds of visualization / visual thinking for me while awake and should be distinguished.

One is where I see projected images in the real world. For instance, someone says apple and I see an apple in the real world. This can be frustrating because something I don't know if it's tangible or not. I can also project what I want in the real world, looks completely real but there are not hundreds of them.

The other kind of visualization is the one that is more in my head. This is the one where I see my mental world and all that. It is the same mental world I go while in a lucid dream. The only difference is I am in my real body and not in my mental body. I am only in my mental body when I am sleeping, making it a real LD. In there, there are many objects as opposed to the projected one where there are only a couple.

Wow, self-forced hallucination at will. That's unreal. I'd think something like that would be a significant threat to sanity. O.o

Don't get me wrong. I have had my share of problems. Mostly with things I didn't control. I don't have the option to not see the apple or whatever else is said for that matter. People find that strange but that's the way it is for me. For the longest time, I was ashamed to tell anyone because of the fear of being taken away. Lately, I consider it a unique gift though I consider it completely trainable as I feel I have a completely normal brain. Just a little different in the mapping of it. If your familiar with Brain Plasticity, you would know that the brain is highly changeable and can be greatly remapped with enough obsessive like effort.

I'm not the only one though that is visual like this. There are others.

I can see a lot of problems that could crop up from not being able to tell self generated sense information from genuine. This is one of the major defining features of Schizophrenia if I'm not mistaken... But as long as it's in check and doesn't cause you to do irrational things, or get you into accidents cause you thought there was something in the road, or anything like that, I guess you'll be alright...

My test is this: If it is not tangible, it's in my head. I suppose the worst of itis someone seeing me reach / try to touch something that isn't there. I usually can tell which is real and which is not though as most of the time, I see it appear out of nowhere when that word is spoken.

Daydreams are thoughts and impressions linked together to form a visual story. Dreams work in much the same way but because the brain chemicals that inhibit hallucinations from memory/thoughts when we are awake are suppressed....we 'see' them when we sleep and are called dreams. You can beef up your daydreaming experience by adding realism to it. You can link your daydream story with real objects/places and still have the feel of it because you have the physical aspect of it.

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