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      Why don't we know we're dreaming?

      Ok, since we know that all of are dreams aren't real, and that it is just a dream, why can't we become lucid every time? I mean, we know it's a dream, we know that we can control our dreams, but why can't we become lucid when we know we will have a dream each night?

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      When you are having a Dream your logic center part of the bran turns off. That is why if your flying in a dream it seems completely normal.

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      I know but, we know we are going to be in a dream earlier in the day, and all throughout the day. So why don't we know as soon as we are in a dream, that it's just that? A dream?

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      Maybe it's just unnatural. When you watch yourself fall asleep, do you notice how all these pictures and plots spring up and work on their own? They don't need us to direct them, it's like watching TV. So maybe there's no consciousness, nothing that would start remembering that we're in a dream.

      But such an explanation obviously doesn't explain how we manage to train ourselves to have lucid dreams

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mancon123 View Post
      When you are having a Dream your logic center part of the bran turns off. That is why if your flying in a dream it seems completely normal.
      This is true. It's our imagination that is active. This is why people need to practice having lucid dreams. Most of us can agree that we wouldn't want all of our dreams to be lucid. They would lose that WHOOA feeling, if we had them 5 times a night. I also feel that non lucid dreams can be symbolic and we can learn from them.

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      Naturals CAN do exactly what you say. It's all about awareness. If you are supremely aware throughout the day, constantly questioning reality, this trains your brain to do the same in your dreams. That is of course a simplification of the process, but you get the idea.

      Be more aware of where you are, what you are doing, and why every moment of every day, and you can learn to be lucid in every dream.

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      MoS is right.

      But to elaborate, there was an article someone posted here that explains that during sleep, REM sleep at least, we are Right Brain dominant and our Left Brain almost entirely shuts off during that period.

      The left brain is mostly used in logical analysis. Even knowing that you're going to dream counts as logical analysis, however simple it really is. This knowledge could be temporarily lost during that portion of sleep.

      This is a simplistic theory, but I hope it illustrates my point.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Man of Steel View Post
      Naturals CAN do exactly what you say.
      Are you speaking of your belief, or do you know a single person who can? Please get me acquainted with that guy

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      Quote Originally Posted by Arutad View Post
      Are you speaking of your belief, or do you know a single person who can? Please get me acquainted with that guy
      Woman, actually. Well, women. Most of the naturals I've met are women, come to think of it. Though that is based solely on my own perception, and not on any study.

      Here at DV I have met both naturals and those that have trained themselves to be naturals. The prime example I would give no longer posts here at DV, unfortunately, but you might want to send Naiya a PM, or catch her in chat (she's in there pretty often). She taught herself to lucid dream every night, and thus is my hero in the world of lucid dreaming. You can learn a lot from just talking to her.

      Be sure to read her tutorial (Naiya's DILD & WILD Secrets) as well, if you haven't already. I'm pretty sure ClouD is also a natural lucid dreamer, and there are plenty of others sprinkled about through DV, if you know where to look. Remember that reading DJs is a great way to learn about natural LDers, as most don't like to mention it too often on the forums for fear of giving the appearance of bragging.

      I'm sure there's a thread around here somewhere asking for naturals to post and let themselves be known. If not (be sure to search first) feel free to start one yourself!
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      Quote Originally Posted by Muggler View Post
      Ok, since we know that all of are dreams aren't real, and that it is just a dream, why can't we become lucid every time? I mean, we know it's a dream, we know that we can control our dreams, but why can't we become lucid when we know we will have a dream each night?
      I've answered this question in another thread. We don't become lucid every time because we're not aware in waking life. IN waking life, we're actually asleep. Constant T.V., video games, and computer screen keeps us distracted from our senses.

      If you are lucid in waking life, you automatically become lucid in dreaming. If you live life lucidly you won't need to do any kind of technique, you just fall asleep and your mind is already used to being aware so you will just be pulled into a dream. Living lucidly causes a significant increase in attention, focus, and memory( including dream memory ).

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      Wow thats a really good question there, never thought about that. I mean, if we don't know we're dreaming, there must be a good evolutionary purpose behind it, I really wonder what it is... I mean, most likely our mind is doing this on purpose, but why would it do this?
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      Quote Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD View Post
      I've answered this question in another thread. We don't become lucid every time because we're not aware in waking life. IN waking life, we're actually asleep. Constant T.V., video games, and computer screen keeps us distracted from our senses.

      If you are lucid in waking life, you automatically become lucid in dreaming. If you live life lucidly you won't need to do any kind of technique, you just fall asleep and your mind is already used to being aware so you will just be pulled into a dream. Living lucidly causes a significant increase in attention, focus, and memory( including dream memory ).

      http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=84349
      I agree with this 100%. Lucidity means awareness. Living lucid has actually helped me blast my energy at a potentially violent crackhead that was asking me for money on the bus. It's in my non-lucid DJ. I was aware of his violent creepy nature. I had a feeling he was going to harass me, and I would have to intimidate him in order to get him to stop.

      Realize the illusory nature of waking life, and be lucid always. Be aware of what you are doing, even the simple things, especially the simple things. Chew your food with intent. Enjoy it, think about it. Don't do anything else. Don't talk with food in your mouth. Enjoy your food instead. This is an example.

      Most people go through life on autopilot, reacting to life, instead of acting in life. That's how 20 years go by, and they're like, oh, shit, I'm 38. They have a mid-life crisis because those 20 years blew by while they were on autopilot, working 60 hours a week, watching TV for 60 hours a week, and never remembering any dreams.

      I personally went through an earlier "mid-life crisis" in my early 30's. I was so unaware at one point, I had the windows of my bedroom closed for months, and I wondered why it was so hot. I didn't even notice they were closed the whole time!

      Lucid dreaming made me learn to be aware in waking life, and one day, I noticed my gottdamm windows were shut! Duhr...

      This is a perfect example of functioning on autopilot, and just reacting to everything without really noticing anything. Notice everything, and react to nothing.
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      I once made a thread about lucid dreaming on a completely different forum, described what it was, and a couple girls there said that they've always experienced that every night, for as long as they could remember. They didn't even KNOW you could not be lucid when you dream. They are naturals.
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