Thread: Can some dreams be "Deeper" than others?

I'm sure you've all heard of people saying they are Light Sleepers, or some saying that they are deep sleepers and wouldn't wake up if their house roof fell in.

Can some dreams be deeper than others, or is all of REM just the same?
Does the 'depth' effect how vivid dreams are?
And, does the depth effect how easy it is to become lucid?

Personally i would rate my early morning dreams as Deep, and dreams around 7am+ when i'm dosing are Light. Lucid dreams late at night (early in the morning) seem more vivid. I find that it's easier to become lucid in Light (early morning) dreams, but they aren't as vivid as earlier ones, and less fulfulling, because i usually wake up.

In regards to waking up, i think in these surcumstances it would have happened anyway. I become lucid because i'm waking up, not waking up because i'm lucid. Its the lightness which makes me become lucid.

So a problem i have early in the morning is becoming lucid right before i wake up. I think increasing the vividness of the dream makes it deeper, which makes you less likely to wake up. So 'light' sleep -> waking up -> lucidity -> vividness techniques -> stop waking up -> makes the sleep deeper.

Note: i'm not saying its impossible to become lucid while in 'deep' REM. Just that 'Light' REM makes you more likely to become lucid.

Confused?

I'm not too confused, I think that it is different for every person and timing too. Some can become lucid after being in a deep night sleep. Some do it during a naptime. Some first thiing in the morning. All people are different. You have to go what is best for for you. If you would like to LD other then your normal times you may have to use some of the techniques used on this site. Hope this helps.

Well Muse,

I have been lucid hundred of times in very light sleep (late morning, when I'm napping) and I have had some extremely vivid and realistic LDs even in light sleep. I have also had alot of blurry/non vivid ones as well. But it does seem that whenever I have had a DILD, and realized that I was dreaming in the midst of a dream within deep sleep these are ALWAYS extremely realstic and vivid. So I think that deep sleep does lead to more vivid/realistic lucids...but that light sleep can also have just as vivid/realistic lucids just maybe not all the time.

Now, in regards to the chat we had before, I believe you thought that something that would make you sleep deeper, like a drug with a sedative effect would cause you to have more vivd/realistic LDs. But it actually has the opposite effect because you are sleeping so deep that you are unable to become conscious and may not even recall having any dreams. It would take a very talented person indeed to have a very vivid lucid dream with fully control while on drugs with a sedative effect.

LDing is very different for everyone just as Ravenqueen mentioned. The extent of the LD to me depends on the sleep cycle you capture lucidity in. Some people can capture it during the initial periods of REM sleep. Most Naturals fall into this area. Then some individuals will not capture Lucidity until later REM cycles. I've tested times and REM cycles and captured Lucidity at all times and cycles. Better control is during the earlier stages of REM. rather than the laters stages, well at least for me.