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[pdiddles03]

hey has anyone ever though. if u can actually bend time in a dream. and u actually had total control over everything. u could try to create ur own universe. and be a god? i think that would be sorta cool. id like to have that power in a dream sometime. i was really tired last nigh. like dead tired cuz the past 3 nights didnt get very much sleep. and im sick lol. but i had a lucid dream last night . seemed to go for a very long time. i saw han solos ship for somereason and i was trying to catch it in the air. i was gonna try to go to the moon last night also. but everytime i got so high in the sky. i would just fall down. any tips on how to keep on flying?

[Randall]

If you could bend time in a dream,then we could all live forever in our dreams

[pdiddles03]

some people say it is possible. cuz time goes faster when ur sleeping. some people say if u have enough control u can slow it down. which would rock. lol

[SantaDreamsToo]

yeah iv talked to someone that said he created like 4 planets that rotated around a sun, and he controlled them like God, also he says that he has control over time in his dreams, (I believe him because I have spent 2 days in a dream when I was only sleeping for about 2 hrs)

[infinity369]

time in a dream is tottaly different than time based in reality, for one it is more like being able to access memories in which you had in your life or adventure into pre concieved futuristic landscapes, and as time seems to be expanded in some dreams and seems alot slower than normal time it is easy to assume that 1 second seems like 1 minute in some cases, as for time for myslef ive always frozen time in a ld so its more like freezing a picture or believing that it will stay still. You asked about flying and being able to stay in flight, well when i first started out flying i found i'd start to fly then fall, then as i told myself that i can fly and i must belief that i can fly id float up again so its a case of believing. nxt time you try to fly you must have utmost believe in the fact that you can fly and total certainty that your are in a dream.

[pdiddles03]

i would like to reach the moon in a dream so bad. it would rock. so much lol. wonder whats up there in a dream. when u freeze time. does it mean like. u stay in the dream for a really long time. everytime i have a lucid dream. i focus really hard at some point at my hand. trying to make it as real as possible. but when i do that. it does become more real to me. but my hand begins to fade away. and i feel myself fade. so i had to stop concentrating. which makes it more like a daydream type lucid dream. whre its not that clear. but i know im there. i concentrated so hard once. i smelt aroma in the air. and it seemed tottaly real. i could see every single leave on a tree. and every single brick on the building. i even saw the painted lines on a road

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by pdiddles03 hey has anyone ever though. if u can actually bend time in a dream. *and u actually had total control over everything. *u could try to create ur own universe. and be a god? *i think that would be sorta cool. *id like to have that power in a dream sometime. *i was really tired last nigh. like dead tired cuz the past 3 nights didnt get very much sleep. *and im sick lol. *but i had a lucid dream last night . seemed to go for a very long time. *i saw han solos ship for somereason and i was trying to catch it in the air. *i was gonna try to go to the moon last night also. *but everytime i got so high in the sky. i would just fall down. any tips on how to keep on flying? The Beginnings of Wisdom! No you cannot be God. No you cannot fly on and on forever. There are Physical Restraints even in Lucid Dreaming. You would eventually discover this yourself, but you will begin to notice that whenever to come down to earth from Flying that you cannot sustain, that you will drop into Very Special Dreams that have been set aside for just such occassions. Perfectly, one should not waste too much time in simply flying around, and after a few of these Very Special Dreams, you will automatically waste less and less time in just flying and appreciate more and more the coming down into these Special Destination Dream Scenes.

[pdiddles03]

ummm. u wanna fly in a dream cuz u can't do that in real life. and do u actually think there are restraints in a dream? thats not popular beliefe. and why couldnt u be a god in a dream. if u can control ur whole dream?. tell me that one

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by pdiddles03 ummm. *u wanna fly in a dream cuz u can't do that in real life. *and do u actually think there are restraints in a dream? *thats not popular beliefe. *and why couldnt u be a god in a dream. *if u can control ur whole dream?. * tell me that one I'm simply telling you what everybody has already discovered, but you can indeed suppose that you are the one unique person in the Universe who will experience none of these constraints that effect the mere mortals. Yes, I wish you all the luck in the World, that you can find that you alone are God-Like and Omnipotent. However, you might consider looking around objectively and then explain to yourself what exactly it is that would make yourself so much better than everybody else?

[Yume]

Originally posted by Leo Volont I'm simply telling you what everybody has already discovered, but you can indeed suppose that you are the one unique person in the Universe who will experience none of these constraints that effect the mere mortals. *Yes, I wish you all the luck in the World, that you can find that you alone are God-Like and Omnipotent. However, you might consider looking around objectively and then explain to yourself what exactly it is that would make yourself so much better than everybody else? What do you define as Omnipotent?

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Yume What do you define as Omnipotent? What, it is an English word, no?

[Yume]

Originally posted by Leo Volont What, it is an English word, no? Ay, an english word it be, but for every word is many understandings.

[Raylin]

Originally posted by infinity369+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(infinity369)</div> time in a dream is tottaly different than time based in reality[/b] Not strictly true. One particular study that I read about in LaBerge's 'Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming' showed that when a person counted 10 seconds in a lucid dream (and signalled each second by eye movements so that they could be noticed by people studying the sleeping body) it equated to almost exactly 10 seconds of real time. Time often seems to be different in dreams, but this could be put down to simple tricks of the mind, where time passes faster in a dream because you don't actually act out all of that time that ahs passed (like how you can watch a film that is set over a period of 5 years, but only actually sit in the cinema for 2 hours) <!--QuoteBegin-pdiddles03 ummm. *u wanna fly in a dream cuz u can't do that in real life. *and do u actually think there are restraints in a dream? *thats not popular beliefe. *and why couldnt u be a god in a dream. *if u can control ur whole dream?. * tell me that one Not exactly physical restraints, but real-life mental restraints that lead to physical restraints in the dream. For instance, some people claim to have had 360 degrees vision in lucid dreams, but can you possibly imagine that? No. That's a mental restraint that could cause you to have physical restraints in lucid dreams. I think Leo Volont was probably also referring to the fact that being a God is much more than just flying around and making a universe. Nevertheless, making your own creation, seemingly having ultimate power to craft it and mold it, would be very fun and interesting.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Yume Ay, an english word it be, but for every word is many understandings. I've seen too many discussion bog down in definitions. It think it is a delaying tactic. A form of harrassment. A philosopher will ask another for a definition and then laugh at him for taking it seriously and falling into his trap. It is a favorite sport of the German Philosophers, who are the most cruel to each other, and the most boring to everybody else. We should handle Philosophy the way the French do. Instead of asking for a definition, one would express one's own understanding of the Concept in question and ask "is this what you mean". It shows some sincerity, and does not push all of the work upon our Philosopher, as though he is being interrogated for having committed some crime. One should make an honest effort to understand other people. Once I was a foreigner in a strange country and it was the devil himself to learn even a few words, which I would then try to be understood by. and it would aggrevate me that people would apparently refuse to understand what I was saying, because it was not exactly perfect. Then I again arrived in a country where I was accustomed to the language and I encountered a foreigner who tried to use the language, and sure enough I saw myself doing about the same thing, that is, refusing to pay enough attention to pick out what meaning his words were trying to convey. As soon as I caught myself doing it, I immediately rebuked myself for it and then concentrated on determining what this poor soul was trying to communicate. "Place of Doctors where is?" is "Where is the Hospital". One needs to apply one's sense of understanding.

[Yume]

Originally posted by Leo Volont I've seen too many discussion bog down in definitions. It think it is a delaying tactic. A form of harrassment. A philosopher will ask another for a definition and then laugh at him for taking it seriously and falling into his trap. It is a favorite sport of the German Philosophers, who are the most cruel to each other, and the most boring to everybody else. We should handle Philosophy the way the French do. Instead of asking for a definition, one would express one's own understanding of the Concept in question and ask \"is this what you mean\". It shows some sincerity, and does not push all of the work upon our Philosopher, as though he is being interrogated for having committed some crime. One needs to apply one's sense of understanding. Once I was a foreigner in a strange country and it was the devil himself to learn even a few words, which I would then try to be understood by. and it would aggrevate me that people would apparently refuse to understand what I was saying, because it was not exactly perfect. Then I again arrived in a country where I was accustomed to the language and I encountered a foreigner who tried to use the language, and sure enough I saw myself doing about the same thing, that is, refusing to pay enough attention to pick out what meaning his words were trying to convey. As soon as I caught myself doing it, I immediately rebuked myself for it and then concentrated on determining what this poor soul was trying to communicate. \"Place of Doctors where is?\" is \"Where is the Hospital\". I don't see how asking someone to clarify what they interpret omnipitence as. It's a way to get two people on the same page. I would rather be organized and know what someone means. One word has thousands of interpretations to accomodate each and every individual that uses that word. It is not a tactic in any way. It is to help clarify the idea that you are focusing upon. I know many who use the word omnipotent differently that what most may think. People aren't trying to make fun of you. They are trying to absorb your thoughts into ways that they can actually understand. They want to help you and themselves become clear in a discussion. You personally reacts in a way to where it feels insulting because that is the way you perceive it when someone asks you to define something. One person shouldn't have to do all the work. There is a balance between understanding and asking to clarify a different perspective. It is not in anyway delaying or infering that someone is lower because they haven't been understood. It is a form of respect in debates to help someone understand what you are saying as well as try to understand what others are saying. Someone can't always automatically correctly interpret anothers words. They have to consider many possibilities. When the person who is communicating defines what they mean they are narrowing possibilities. This gives a clear picture. This moves the debate along. It is the respect that two people give to each other when they try to help clarify the meaning together as a group that helps create understanding. I do not disrespect you in any way Leo. I just want to know what you mean by the subject to help me. In helping me, I can write a post with a better feeling that I know what you mean. Once my post is done I want to help you know what I really mean so you can see the idea as I see it. Sure it is extra work, but it clears things up. Now, Leo as a respectable debator I just want to know something so I can get my point across, whether you think it is right or wrong, and show you another possibility that you have not perceived. I ask that you do something for me so that I may create this post and show you a different perspective.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Yume I don't see how asking someone to clarify what they interpret omnipitence as. It's a way to get two people on the same page. I would rather be organized and know what someone means. One word has thousands of interpretations to accomodate each and every individual that uses that word. It is not a tactic in any way. It is to help clarify the idea that you are focusing upon. I know many who use the word omnipotent differently that what most may think. People aren't trying to make fun of you. They are trying to absorb your thoughts into ways that they can actually understand. They want to help you and themselves become clear in a discussion. You personally reacts in a way to where it feels insulting because that is the way you perceive it when someone asks you to define something. One person shouldn't have to do all the work. There is a balance between understanding and asking to clarify a different perspective. It is not in anyway delaying or infering that someone is lower because they haven't been understood. It is a form of respect in debates to help someone understand what you are saying as well as try to understand what others are saying. Someone can't always automatically correctly interpret anothers words. They have to consider many possibilities. When the person who is communicating defines what they mean they are narrowing possibilities. This gives a clear picture. This moves the debate along. It is the respect that two people give to each other when they try to help clarify the meaning together as a group that helps create understanding. I do not disrespect you in any way Leo. I just want to know what you mean by the subject to help me. In helping me, I can write a post with a better feeling that I know what you mean. Once my post is done I want to help you know what I really mean so you can see the idea as I see it. Sure it is extra work, but it clears things up. Now, Leo as a respectable debator I just want to know something so I can get my point across, whether you think it is right or wrong, and show you another possibility that you have not perceived. I ask that you do something for me so that I may create this post and show you a different perspective. As I said, there is the German way of Philosphy and the French Way. You were resorting to the German method of interrogation, which, as innocent as you seem to be, is often used simply to harrass, bother and obstruct a meaningful dialogue. You must see what I mean. A person writes a complete essay to present a Model of Conceptualization, which is responded to with a request for a definition of a common word. It is just simple German Barbarism. A Frenchman would have the goodwill to write his own essay, around his own idea of the Concept in question, pointing out similarities and also the discrepancies that his own understanding may have in contrast or agreement to that of the philosopher to whom he is addressing. That is Civilized Communication. That is Discussion. You were interrogating me. And now, it seems you would maintain your innocence to the point of torturing me. They say the French are rude. But one would wonder what word, then, would be left to describe the Germans. So don't ask for definitions. Give you own and ask if it is correct. Show some sincerity and token of your goodwill.

[Yume]

Originally posted by Leo Volont As I said, there is the German way of Philosphy and the French Way. You were resorting to the German method of interrogation, which, as innocent as you seem to be, is often used simply to harrass, bother and obstruct a meaningful dialogue. You must see what I mean. A person writes a complete essay to present a Model of Conceptualization, which is responded to with a request for a definition of a common word. It is just simple German Barbarism. A Frenchman would have the goodwill to write his own essay, around his own idea of the Concept in question, pointing out similarities and also the discrepancies that his own understanding may have in contrast or agreement to that of the philosopher to whom he is addressing. That is Civilized Communication. That is Discussion. You were interrogating me. And now, it seems you would maintain your innocence to the point of torturing me. They say the French are rude. But one would wonder what word, then, would be left to describe the Germans. So don't ask for definitions. Give you own and ask if it is correct. Show some sincerity and token of your goodwill. Leo, do you realize that you just tried to bitch slap me in the face there? You just need to realize some of the simpler concepts here. Why would I try to harass you? This is a subject that I want to talk about. I am not in any way trying to insult, interrogate, or hurt you in anyway. I just want this to be a discussion between friends, which I hope that you consider me, to reach a higher resolution. Many people think the French way of debate is barbaric, but I won't get into that. It seems like you are just trying to avoid the question. By avoiding it you have just lost a lot of respect that I had for you. Anyone else, including my friends of the French nationality, would answer that question. This is relating back onto how you perceive things. You see it as the wrong way and refuse to do it because it is wrong no matter how it is conveyed. What you said is quite childish.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Yume Leo, do you realize that you just tried to bitch slap me in the face there? You just need to realize some of the simpler concepts here. Why would I try to harass you? This is a subject that I want to talk about. I am not in any way trying to insult, interrogate, or hurt you in anyway. I just want this to be a discussion between friends, which I hope that you consider me, to reach a higher resolution. Many people think the French way of debate is barbaric, but I won't get into that. It seems like you are just trying to avoid the question. By avoiding it you have just lost a lot of respect that I had for you. Anyone else, including my friends of the French nationality, would answer that question. This is relating back onto how you perceive things. You see it as the wrong way and refuse to do it because it is wrong no matter how it is conveyed. What you said is quite childish. How many times do you want to go around and around with this? What if I were to ask you what single point you made deserves to be responded to? I pointed out that civilized discussion does not consist in summary interrogation -- that a complete essay deserves better than a three word reply that would beg for another essay. And for whom? Somebody who can't seem to understand what is being said to him. Here's what, since you only want to go in a circle. Simply say what you like, and then cut and paste exactly what I said two or three posts back. It shouldn't matter... you don't read it anyway. And it seems appropriate you know so much about being bitch slapped.

[Yume]

Originally posted by Leo Volont How many times do you want to go around and around with this? What if I were to ask you what single point you made deserves to be responded to? I pointed out that civilized discussion does not consist in summary interrogation -- that a complete essay deserves better than a three word reply that would beg for another essay. And for whom? Somebody who can't seem to understand what is being said to him. Here's what, since you only want to go in a circle. Simply say what you like, and then cut and paste exactly what I said two or three posts back. It shouldn't matter... you don't read it anyway. And it seems appropriate you know so much about being bitch slapped. Here's a few more questions Leo. Do you know what an interrogation is? When a student is asked a question by a teacher is he interrogated? It is not an interrogation. I would presume that you would be glad to help me by answering a simple question. Your idea of civilized is so close-minded that there is no room for change which is the downfall in your logic. Do you never want me to say \"What do you mean?\" about your posts again? \"What do you define as Omnipotent?\" would have led to the discussion of your statement about Originally posted by Leo Volont No you cannot be God. No you cannot fly on and on forever. There are Physical Restraints even in Lucid Dreaming. I copied and pasted this because this is what I was going to differ against. All the other posts of yours were just trying to sidetrack from one question that I wanted to ask you. You lucked out Leo. We could be discussing something that I find to have a lot of more meaning than how much you care that I asked you a simple question. Your refusal to answer one question has kept you from avoiding the real point. If that was your intent I guess you did your job. For some reason I don't think that you are getting the right meaning behind my post. If you need some help with the meaning just ask. I like to help.

[Leo Volont]

Dear Yume, Do you find it impossible to take a hint. This started with me asking you not to be unintentionally rude. Must it end in my asking you to please desist from being intentionally rude. It started in my asking not to be interrogated. Must it end in my begging that you quit tormenting me? Is it power you want. do you want me to beg for mercy. Or do you just want me to scream in pain? Can't you just be satisfied with torturing small animals, or did some certain demons point me out as your necessary target? do you enjoy making yourself hated?

[Yume]

Originally posted by Leo Volont Dear Yume, Do you find it impossible to take a hint. This started with me asking you not to be unintentionally rude. Must it end in my asking you to please desist from being intentionally rude. It started in my asking not to be interrogated. Must it end in my begging that you quit tormenting me? Is it power you want. do you want me to beg for mercy. Or do you just want me to scream in pain? Can't you just be satisfied with torturing small animals, or did some certain demons point me out as your necessary target? do you enjoy making yourself hated? You can try doing something like this, but it doesn't make you a better person. Irrellivance is a waste of time. For a minute there I actually thought you would go back on topic.

[Leo Volont]

Has anybody ever noticed how some people are not much better than demons. We can imagine Gods, but how much easier it is to visualize Devils, especially as they encircle us with their torments, their rudeness, their proud defiance of all civil conventions, and their proud barbarian swagger. It makes one pray for a God who will simply be the Final Arbiter of Justice -- to strike the Earth, and one would gladly face extinction if one could be assured that such self-assured barbarism would perish too. Is that on topic enough?

[Alex D]

Will you two please shut up? I’m sorry, but you both are ruining a perfectly good topic, you may have your differences, but keep your petty, childish vendetta’s out of pdiddles03’s topic? Is that too much to ask? Anyway, on topic. Dreamscaping is a very hard thing to do in a dream, I assume that making a galaxy would be even harder, but that’s not to say impossible. I’m sure that if one has the right level of lucidity and control in the dream, it can easily be done. On tips as to how to keep flying, you say that when you high you fell down? All I can really advise is that you keep telling yourself that you are dreaming and keep calm as you fly.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Alex D Will you two please shut up? I’m sorry, but you both are ruining a perfectly good topic, you may have your differences, but keep your petty, childish vendetta’s out of pdiddles03’s topic? Is that too much to ask? Anyway, on topic. Dreamscaping is a very hard thing to do in a dream, I assume that making a galaxy would be even harder, but that’s not to say impossible. I’m sure that if one has the right level of lucidity and control in the dream, it can easily be done. On tips as to how to keep flying, you say that when you high you fell down? All I can really advise is that you keep telling yourself that you are dreaming and keep calm as you fly. Can you define childish vendetta?

[Alex D]

I'll admit that that was a bit of an exaggeration, but you and Yume, do really seem to be trying to get one over eachother, I just find it childs play. Now this was as good topic, lets get back on topic and away from the subject of good and evil. There is a lovely philosophy forum for that.