just a lil help

[melikitani]

hi guys. just a little help here. its my 3rd lucid using a DILD and of course they were not that great. blurry (though not that blurry, but cant call it vivid), fragments (not full yet, getting closer) and stuffs. I started a couple of months ago . But something is bugging me. I got this new info about feeling your body sleeping while your in a dream. But I have not felt that, not once, or maybe its just not that strong to make me feel that while I'm in the dreamworld. But my question is. when your LDing, is it necessary to feel "that"? like its a proof that i'm LDing? cause if its like that, it mean those were not LDs. If the question above is answered and is not entirely correct then I have a problem when I go LD. I mean the stuffs about controlling the dream. I had this one where I became lucid at the near ending of the dream. At first (Non lucid) I'm being chase by a witch in a small village then when I escaped from her, somewhere at the road far away from the village, when things got calm I question my reality and "BOOM!" I got lucid. I even bit my finger there (didn't feel the body ). But the knowledge of the "story" made me feel afraid. But I keep repeating "This is a dream, this is a dream. get back at her, this is a dream and nothings gonna happen to you" but I can't. And I then somehow followed the plot, and kinda fall out of lucid. (also can't create a bazooka or something they said its a good way of countering nightmares lol) and my another question here is this, is the "conscious" in waking life not fully intact when you enter the LD? I mean I didn't ask the subconscious (there was a guy who picked me up at the road) about stuffs. I mean always do that but at that time I didn't, and when I woke up I was like "why the hell I didn't ask him this and that" lol. or just engulfed by my fear

[Indeed]

I'm a little confused about the wording of your first question, but your second one is pretty easy. Basically, when you're sleeping, several parts of your brain "shut down". The part of your brain that helps in logic is one of them. In some LDs, you don't fully use the logical part, while in others, that part of your brain turns back on. Take this with a grain of salt, though. I'm no expert.

[Spyguy]

You don't have to feel your waking body at all in a dream, I have never felt it. If you know you are dreaming, it is a lucid dream. No exceptions, that is all there is to it. As for your question about the 'concious', I think you are exacty right about that. Even if you have gained conciousness in a dream, your thoughts aren't that clear, and you do things that you don't understand when you are back awake. It is often as if your dream-self is a completely different version of yourself. I think it is because your logic centre isn't reactivated 100%, but only partially. When in a dream, it might be helpful to do some simple math or something, to clear your mind. Also relax, and stabilize ofcourse.

[melikitani]

then is it possible to get my full "consciousness" into the dreamworld? can I train it? relaxing and stabilizing seems like an answer but are there other techniques? or ways to train to be precise. badly need it.

[Spyguy]

then is it possible to get my full "consciousness" into the dreamworld? can I train it? relaxing and stabilizing seems like an answer but are there other techniques? or ways to train to be precise. badly need it. Yes it is possible to get your full conciousness in. Mantra's would most likely help, they are how I got my dream-self to stabilize in the first place. I recommend a mantra like 'I am lucid dreaming and my mind is clear'. I've heard that when you get more lucids your clarity will increase automatically as well, but I don't like waiting for that

[melikitani]

the one I follow is "im dreaming, im dreaming" but I'll try that . by the way, since it seems you have some knowledge about it. about lucid dreaming. Just want to clarify something, whenever I dream and enter the lucid state. what I feel every time I wake up is only the experience of it. more like just a memory, the same with a normal dream. My point is, Is lucid dreaming just a memory of experience? like every normal dream?. the difference is, at that memory, you were "awake", lucid. like I didn't experience it at that exact moment experience -> real. dream -> experience. so when I remember that I was lucid. dream -> lucid, means that Lucid -> experience. which means Lucid -> real?. yet a memory I just cant get it O.O. experience is what you have at that exact time. my logic is not working -_-.

[Spyguy]

the one I follow is "im dreaming, im dreaming" but I'll try that . by the way, since it seems you have some knowledge about it. about lucid dreaming. Just want to clarify something, whenever I dream and enter the lucid state. what I feel every time I wake up is only the experience of it. more like just a memory, the same with a normal dream. My point is, Is lucid dreaming just a memory of experience? like every normal dream?. the difference is, at that memory, you were "awake", lucid. like I didn't experience it at that exact moment experience -> real. dream -> experience. so when I remember that I was lucid. dream -> lucid, means that Lucid -> experience. which means Lucid -> real?. yet a memory I just cant get it O.O. experience is what you have at that exact time. my logic is not working -_-. Sorry for the slow reaction, had a bit of a busy week. Some LD's seem like memory, like normal dreams. This is usually because they were not stable and vivid and/or because the mind of the LDer wasn't clear. With experience and practice they will become as vivid as (even more vivid than) waking life. P.S., I am not an expert in lucid dreaming, and I won't claim to be such. I do have some experience (a little over a year now) and theoretical knowledge ( which usually turns out to be correct after putting it into practice, but with a few additions). Glad to be of help though

[Castles]

I do not feel my body when I lucid dream. Though I have lucid dreamed only just as much as you, I can tell you that it is not necessary. To be quite honest it would freak me out a bit. GIRL I TOTALLY WANTS TO FEEL MY DREAM BOD WHEN IM DREAMIN OK. Back to being serious. To increase your lucidity spin around in your dream. =) That's what I do. It works! Leave me a PM or a visitor message if you have any further questions.

[Robot_Butler]

Holding onto your lucidity can be tricky if there is an engaging narrative going on. DILDs often have this problem. Just keep reminding yourself that you are dreaming. Try to hold the same attitude you hold when you are trying to heighten your awareness in real life. Be extra aware of your senses, your surroundings, your physical interactions with the dream world.