The best dreams I've had have always been when I've had some dairy products before going to sleep, may it be hot milk or some chocolate or a yogurt. Dairy product dreams, as I call them, are the best and most craziest dreams I have and I love them. |
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I've been curious as to how a low-dose of psilocybe mushrooms would effect the dream state. Last night, i finally attempted a session. I slept for 3 hours then awoke to take two 0.4ish gram pills of magic mushrooms. I immediatly returned my head to my pillow and tried to fade back to sleep. Unfortunatly, my mind was too active and excited that I was not able to return to sleep. After about 20 minutes, the effects started to kick in and it became evident that I would not be able to get to sleep. |
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- what they can never know is what we do to them in our minds -
- the premise that led to the war on terror is a lie -
The best dreams I've had have always been when I've had some dairy products before going to sleep, may it be hot milk or some chocolate or a yogurt. Dairy product dreams, as I call them, are the best and most craziest dreams I have and I love them. |
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i dont think hes talkin about dairy products lmao shrooms arent exactly in that category? well they come out of a cows ass so hmmmm |
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420/24/7/365 herb?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mayhembrown)</div>i tried to fly but cudnt, so i went outside in the garden but still cudnt.. i then thought lets go and find a girl!
Yeh I know, Jay, sheesh. Just sharing my thoughts and experiences from consuming different products, that's all . |
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I have believed for a while that psychedelic drug experiences are just partial experiences of the lucid dream state. The other day, I did some 7x salvia divinorum, a drug that makes mushrooms look like glasses of milk. I had four experiences on it, and I decided that the experiences I was having, as mind blowing as they were, were really just drug induced lucid dreams. (I wanted to have one last session on psychedelic drugs before leaving them behind and getting all the way into lucid dreaming.) Well, in the first two experiences, I was still percieving the outside world. In the second two, I had friends hold extra lighters on the bong bowl so that the salvia would get extra hot and work better (which is recommended on the web sites), and I went into a 100% hallucinogenic state where strange humanoid figures were doing stuff so bizarre I don't even know how to really describe it. The best summary I have been able to give of the experience is "Sesame Street Armageddon." However, the experience is always really uncomfortable and uncontrollable. Every time I come out of it, I think immediately about how I don't ever want to do it again. The fun is not in the experience itself. The fun is in looking back on the experience after you come out of it. The more hallucinogenic the experience, the less lucid it is. In other words, the greater the dream factor, the lesser the lucidity factor. It was as if I was waking up from dreams after forgetting I was even dreaming. I was much more lucid in the less hallucinogenic states. |
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How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
You''re a bunch of drugaddicts! |
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I had a bad experience about a year ago taking half an ounce of mushrooms before going to sleep as I read through different sources on the erowid.org website that psilocybin is supposed to make lucid dreaming really intense and easy to drift into. Well...perhaps for some people but for me it had a caffenating effect and I couldn't get to sleep. Futhermore, I spent six hours tripping into my deep subconscious in a pitch black room...I laughed, I cried, I got scared and I ventured too far into the schema of my mind because that was the only option you have when faced with a black void. Be warned! |
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Renewed, it fought
As if it had a cause to live for
Denied, it learned
As if it had sooner been destroyed
Providing, deciding, it was soon there
Squared to it, faced to it, it was not there
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Renewed, it fought
As if it had a cause to live for
Denied, it learned
As if it had sooner been destroyed
Providing, deciding, it was soon there
Squared to it, faced to it, it was not there
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Never stop searching for truth. In your search you may think you have found it, and perhaps you have, but if you hold on tightly to a single thread it will fray and it's greater meaning will become lost. There is always more truth stretching deep beneath the surface that promises to reveal ever greater the infinite, interwoven fabric of truth, woven in the looms of Heaven.
--Raised by Seeker--
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How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
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How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
Hallucinogens are not all the same. Some efect diffreent areas of the mind. Some actually starve your brain cells of oxygen and therefore you hallucinate. There is no conclusive evidence linking drug altered states and lucid dreaming and many of the greatest lucid dreamers are completely drug free. So if you are using illegal drugs and talking about them in a public forum I think its not a stretch to suggest you may have a drug problem. In fact I am going to suggest to the moderators that this whould not be a site where people are instructed about how to use illegal drugs. |
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Just thinking, why does everybody think ALL mushrooms come out of cows asses??? |
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How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
Friend, I read all the post in this thread and you are not in anyway trying to discourage people from using drugs. Also you have no way of scientifically validating your assertion about what state of mind lucid dreams exists in because you subjected yourself to a mind altering drug. To properly study such things you must use test subjects while you remain sober and rational. But you cannot do that because it is illegal, so your whole premise is flimsy. |
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Elijah, SALVIA DIVINORUM IS LEGAL IN THE UNITED STATES and most other countries. So are certain types of psychedelic mushrooms, such as amanita muscaria. Look it up. Also, I have in fact been making the point that because hallucinogenic drugs provide only partial experiences of the lucid dream state, there is no point in doing them. In your reading "all of the post in this thread," did you happen to read my point in my first post that my last salvia session was meant to end my hallucinogenic drug career and that I plan to get way into lucid dreaming instead? I have been preaching here lately that lucid dreaming is better than hallucinogenic drug experiences and should be done instead of them. |
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How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
I will follow up with the moderators. If what you say is true (on your intentions I now sense that it is) then I must say I am shocked that something with such strong effects would not be controlled if only that we never fully know what this stuff does to us physiologically. It would seem wise to control anyhting that can so alter a persons perceptions that they converse with Faulkner on a stroll through the cemetary (I know you did not claim this it is hyperbole). But then a gain $2.50 can by you at least two packs of Heavenly Blue Morning Glory seeds, which once the nauseating chemical often applied to them is washed off can be quite a strong hallucinogen. Simply chew them until the acrid taste fills the mouth and hold them like chewing tobacco. |
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Oh so if its legal (I must eat crow now) that issue is gone but the broader ethical issue of using something that would be controlled if it were to become big (LSD was legal for most of the sixties) is linked as far as I can tell to the whole drug scene issue. So I have been put to shame for not knowing more before I spoke, but the idea of being a druggie is simply, the substance whatever it is is something a user takes to escape and that eventually leads to addiction or generally social uselessness. Almost any mind altering substance can serve as drug of choice for some portion of the drug using population. |
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Ok, now the story comes out. i am gonna post on my blog site about this, but I will note the following. A 3-minute search on the interent show that Us officials and states are moving to list Salvia as an illegal hallucinogen. Mostly because it is being sold as a hallucinogen. I will predict that within five years salvia will be illegal everywhwere in the US. |
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ElijahJones, |
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- what they can never know is what we do to them in our minds -
- the premise that led to the war on terror is a lie -
ElijahJones, |
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Never stop searching for truth. In your search you may think you have found it, and perhaps you have, but if you hold on tightly to a single thread it will fray and it's greater meaning will become lost. There is always more truth stretching deep beneath the surface that promises to reveal ever greater the infinite, interwoven fabric of truth, woven in the looms of Heaven.
--Raised by Seeker--
toomanypossibilities! u are afreaking genious!! finally someone who is at my level of knowledge. |
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420/24/7/365 herb?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mayhembrown)</div>i tried to fly but cudnt, so i went outside in the garden but still cudnt.. i then thought lets go and find a girl!
I seriosly doubt that any police force, whilst looking for drug users would look on this website. Although it is a website about people creating anything and everything through their dreams which does sound like some/most of us use drugs. I find that while on MJ i dont have as many dreams i would if i didnt use for a while but im gunna go to sleep tonight after a few goldy spotts so youl have to check my dream journal to see wat happens. Im yet to do mushys but i do plan on doing them because of the trippy experiences ive heard from many different people. Everyones made some interesting comments on the topic but in the words of Matchbook "Because someone uses drugs, doesn't make them a drug addict, or a bad person." Unless your taking about A-class drug users, thats just another story. |
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If we spend on average 22 years of our life asleep or dreaming, we arguably live two lives...Our awake life and our dream life.
Elijah, thanks for your apology. I can understand a concern against the abuse of drugs. You are preaching to the choir as far as that goes. I come from two family lines of alcoholics, I have lost several friends to drunk driving wrecks and opioid overdoses, and I have had my own struggles with marijuana and the results of binge drinking. That is why I decided recently to quit everything. I want to do absolutely no mind altering substances whatsoever. That includes caffiene, tobacco, and anything else like that. For me, opening the door to any of them opens the door to all of them. I just realized that recently. However, I am nowhere near supporting telling other people that they can't do them. I think the war on drugs is anti-freedom, anti-American, and a counterproductive disaster that has resulted in a great deal of mass tragedy that would have not otherwise happened. The gang problem and its influence on American pop culture and American life in general is awful. There are drug addicts all over the place mugging, burglarizing, car jacking, stealing from and lying constantly to their family members and friends, and doing whatever else it takes to buy the drugs that are so expensive because they are illegal. If the drugs were legal, they would destroy themselves in peace and not take down everybody around them. The fight needs to be on the demand side. Fighting drugs on the supply side is a tragic joke. The government (last I checked) spends $639 per second on the war on drugs. We could cut out the war on drugs and thereby cut out a whole universe of crime while providing room for tax cuts that would really help our economy a great deal. Our prisons would finally have room enough for murderers, rapists, and armed robbers to stay as long as they should, and they could be convicted much faster. No matter what bad you might say would result from legallizing all drugs, still a trendous amount more good would result. |
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How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
Universal Mind and everyone else... |
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- what they can never know is what we do to them in our minds -
- the premise that led to the war on terror is a lie -
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