Thread: What is reality?

Originally Posted by SomeDreamer

Ah yes, one of the things which I was also thinking about when I at first discovered that atoms are mostly empty space. One analogy which I found to be pretty good is that in solids, atoms are first of all very close together and dense, kind of stringed together in a pattern which makes them resistance to change in shape. But the electrons of the atoms move around very quickly (I know that electrons do not move in pretty circles around the nucleus of atoms, but that they occupy a space around the nucleus called the orbital, which is a zone calculated using probability, that is, where the electron is most likely to appear at any given time). If you look at a fan (like one you use to push air towards you in a warm room) which is turned off it, it has some blades used to push the air, but most of the space around it is actually empty, you can push your arm or finger through the blades. But when the fan is turned on, the blades move so quickly that you can't really push anything through them (and it might hurt a lot to try and do so ). When you push your finger down onto the table and try to push it through, the reason it can't move through it is because the electrons in your finger and the electrons in the table rebel each other with such a strong force that you are unable to penetrate it.

But if you look at it from this perspective, I do agree that something like the perception of touch is kind of an illusion in the sense that nothing might actually touch each other, but that touch is the feeling you get from the electrical signals send through your nervous system from your finger when these repelling forces of the electrons meet, but that your finger does not literally touch anything when it comes down on the table, the force you experience is not literal touch, but repulsion from electrons. Is this what you mean when talking about illusion?

If you look at perception like this, I would think that is why you reached the conclusion that reality is whatever you can experience using your five senses? So for example, if you experience pain in a dream, who is to say it's not as real as it would have been in waking life, since the two would have been perceived in exactly the same way; ultimately nothing but electrical signals. In this case, reality would have the meaning of being everything you can sense.

And in that case, I do understand your point, and the reason why we had a disagreement was simply because I defined reality through other means, that is, not perception, but more of the fact that our wakening world seems to be permanent, while our dream worlds do not (which is why people like to try committing crimes in a dream, but not in our wakening life).

yes your spot on with everything you said

i dont believe in anything bieng solid, something that is truly solid would impenetrable, it means it cant be made up of atoms. also if you can only sit on something thats solid then how do you sit on a chair in your dream or wlak on ground?

i think everything that we see and think it exists are in the same electromagnetic field and in communication with it, and this electromagnetic field which covers the entire universe is what god is, because its what we live in and its what governs us and all the laws are based on its laws.

so all the famous people talk about multi dimentional realities, i believe we exist in all these dimentions simultaneously and depending on which Hz (frequency) you are in that is the dimension/reality you exprience which has its own laws etc. right now were on the frequency of 16-20hz, if you take your frequency down to 4hz then what you exprience as reality is diffrent, you may have diffrent abilities etc. As in right now its harder to make a bed dissapear because its electro magnetic field is alot more powerful being at a higher frequency, but the same bed you can make dissapear if your operating at 1-4hz.

mind dazzeling stuff

but what im trying to get at is, if these things are true then there is no doubt people at top who rule the world have special knowledge about this reality that we dont, and i intend to find out

why cant we become lucid now, before you learnt lucid in your dream, it was like now, when you became lucid then your abilities were activated, thats what im trying to get at really