Hypnagogia: Just LDs or LDs and OBEs?

**LDreamerZERO4** · 07-31-2012 11:38 PM

I have Hypnagogia which is basically the transitional state between Wakefullness and Sleep. You see hallucinations and patterns followed by shapes on your closed eyelids. Hypnagogia can give you simple and easy most vivid LDs there is, but I heard that's only if you do it right.

Someone said you have to create a Vivid Dream Scene right at the peak of Sleeping but if you don't your body shuts down to sleep mode and you now have the opportunity to float out of your body to annitiate an OBE. Somewhere else I read, all you have to do is draw yourself into one of the Dream Scenes and BOOM!!!!!... You are in an incredible LD!

I don't want to AP and that is why I want to know, does Hypnagogia induce both OBEs and LDs? Or does it induce just LDs?

!I appreciate all answers!

**Ekyu** · 07-31-2012 11:59 PM

I can't speak about OBEs, because i don't really know to mutch about it. But hypnagogia is a good first step to lucid dreaming, but i assume what your talking about is a wild technique? I wouldn't worry to mutch about AP, and just go for it.

"Someone said you have to create a Vivid Dream Scene right at the peak of Sleeping but if you don't your body shuts down to sleep mode". Don't really agree with this.. Not sure who said that, but you don't need to imagine a dream scene in order to get into rem sleep. Hope this helps you a little bit out.

**jblb2424** · 08-01-2012 12:05 AM

What you described sounds like the WILD (Wake initiated lucid dream) technique. During this technique, you keep your mind awake while your body falls asleep. During this process, you will experience sleep paralysis, a feeling of heaviness and paralyzation usually accompanied by Hypnogogia. Sleep paralysis is the gateway to inducing BOTH lucid dreams and OBEs, but if you don't want to induce an OBE during this state, you don't have to. You can willingly choose to enter a lucid dream or an OBE in sleep paralysis. As for hypnagogia alone, hypnogogia is not so much used to induce an OBE. Hypnogogia is usually used to form a dreamscape and enter a lucid dream. Hope this helped!