Thread: Does Lucid Dreaming Have a Deeper Purpose?

They are what you make of them. Other people will do different things, and have different ideas. If you are saying that something a person chooses to dream is abuse, what are you really saying? That thinking what they want to think is abusing their mind? That they are using their imagination incorrectly? As for your other points, genetic and collective conscious are unsupported by science as far as I know, especially since dreaming in general is a weak point in our scientific knowledge, so you will have to judge whether you believe in those things based on the personal experience of others and yourself. Finally lucid dreaming is more of a skill than a gift, and almost anyone can learn it.

yea about people not being able to lucid dream, there are just some people that can't dream at all and tbh i hadn't considered improving recall for people who just don't remember their dreams.

as for abusing it, i guess this is subjective and may just be self suggestion but it seems like post lucid sex or if i like kill a dc (did this the other day dk what came over me haha, felt kinda bad) i wake up. could also just be increased heart rate/adrenaline or whatever...

i can't remember exactly what made me think about this but last night i was watching a documentary about egypt and i was thinking about the possibility of tapping into something while lucid dreaming and learning about the ancients haha. this is the kind of stuff that i mean when i mention the untapped potential of lucid dreaming

another thing about the abusing it is like if stuff in the last paragraph is possible, maybe sex and fun is really there as a test/distraction from what it's really meant for. i mean lucid dreaming is a pretty amazing thing if you think about it. most people don't even know what it is and we're doing crazy shit in our heads while we sleep

Originally Posted by siuol

As for your other points, genetic and collective conscious are unsupported by science as far as I know, especially since dreaming in general is a weak point in our scientific knowledge, so you will have to judge whether you believe in those things based on the personal experience of others and yourself.

well there have been tests implying the existence of the collective conscious like that random number generator thing haha. it spikes when there are significant world events... as far as genetic memory i'm pretty sure that's supported also, and even if it's not empirically proven it's easily observable for example monarch butterflies flying to the same spot every year or few years or whatever it is even when none of them were born there...

Originally Posted by slyman

there are just some people that can't dream at all and tbh i hadn't considered improving recall for people who just don't remember their dreams.

Everybody has dreams. If someone was to not have any dreams that would mean they do not have a subconcious.

The reason they don't remember their dreams could be for many reasons. Smoking/drugs/lack of sleep/lack of vitamins/bad diet and tons more things could be the reason for having no dream recall.

Originally Posted by Ninjaa

Everybody has dreams. If someone was to not have any dreams that would mean they do not have a subconcious.

The reason they don't remember their dreams could be for many reasons. Smoking/drugs/lack of sleep/lack of vitamins/bad diet and tons more things could be the reason for having no dream recall.

Actually some people literally don't have dreams. There are documented cases of stroke patients with area-specific brain trauma (don't remember what part of the brain) losing the ability to dream entirely. Of course they're extreme cases though XD

I think we should be careful when talking about something like a collective unconscious...I suppose it depends on what you mean by it, but if you mean something like a reservoir when all unconscious thoughts coexist on some other plane...it clearly probably isn't that. However, because of the fact that any human's thoughts and emotions are irretrievably connected with the thoughts and emotions of those they are brought up amongst, tapping into your deepest wells should tell you a lot about other people as well.

"Meaning" in that supernatural grandiose sense is almost completely meaningLESS in that it's completely arbitrary, but personal meaning, things like basic drives and emotions and perspectives about the world, I mean, they must "mean" something within the subjective reality that is human culture and the human condition, really. All your feelings and perceptions are just the result of what millions of years of evolution have allowed you to feel and perceive, and your attempt to understand anything around you is hopelessly skewed in those directions. To understand yourself is to understand your innate biases as they relate to your strategies with interacting with the environment--and perhaps, if you're ambitious enough, understand how they fit into the larger scheme of things.

Otherwise just have a blast. I guess I'm of the opinion that if you have the ability and the motivation to learn to do something such as lucid dreaming at will, it's yours to do with what you will.