^^ Okay, I think our streams of thought seem a bit crossed:
Originally Posted by DawnEye11
You are indeed very experienced if you can go through these things without waking up. I commend you for that. In my experiences though, even when I'm lucid and events such as these occur, I wake up. It could be because the feelings that are triggered after the event happens are negative for me. I mean, who would want to feel a thousand bullets going through you or feel the pain of having your face slammed on concrete even if you know its a dream? Perhaps if I managed to remove the feeling of pain in the dream and was able to imagine myself as a invisible being i would be able to leave the situation and still be in the dream. But that doesn't apply to every dream.There might be a dream where control is hard to obtain. In other words, you can expect things to be a certain way in a dream, but sometimes it isn't enough.
Lucidity and dream control are two different things. You can be extremely lucid (aware that you are dreaming) with no control at all, just as you can be barely lucid at all, and feel like you are controlling everything in the dream.
It doesn't matter if what you expect to happen does not; if you are lucid, you will still know you are dreaming, even if you cannot summon any control at all. By the same token, if lucid you will also remember that the pain from all those bullets is not real, regardless of whether or not you can control the bullets or the pain. Knowing those bullets, and the pain, are not real will tend to help you endure the excitement without waking up. In other words, knowing that the bad things that are happening are not real can be enough to both keep you asleep and perhaps curb your emotions and panic.
In my opinion it can go both ways. One way is your example; Thinking it is real will cause us to run away and panic. Another way is being lucid and panicking anyways because we don't want to feel in the dream what its like to be shot or because we don't want to wake up. (Which happens to those who end up having no control in the dream or to those who don't know much about Lucid dreaming.)
If you are lucid, if you know none of this is real, then there would be no need to panic. Sorry I keep repeating this, but it is important: if you truly know that what is happening is not real (almost the definition of lucidity), then there would be no need to panic or send signals to your body to wake up. Right?
O.k. Thanks but if it is a defense mechanism does lucid dreaming have the same purpose? In what ways is it a defense mechanism? Could you give me a example?
Actually, I was saying that non-lucidity is not a defense mechanism, but that it was an interesting theory of yours. So no examples, I guess. Also, since lucidity is generally a state that is triggered by a conscious decision (fueled usually by a whole lot of willpower), I can't see how it could ever be an automatic defense mechanism.
Also, I said what the DC said was sort of true(Not entirely)but what I should of said was the statement as it stands is false, but I get another idea from it. The idea I get from it is, there can be things in a dream we forget was happening and end up doing something else entirely. For example, you can be trying to survive an invasion one moment than be sipping tea in your house like nothing happened. I guess this idea mostly comes from those who prefer non lucid dreams because they don't want to confront the nightmares in their dreams.
Usually when lucid and the scene changes, you are aware that it changed, and remember where you just were. Also, the whole problem with nightmares is that they occur when you are not lucid, and think they are real... in a sense, when you are not lucid, you have no choice but to confront nightmares in your dream, because you think they are real, so non-lucidity could be a very bad choice for dealing with nightmares. In fact, one of the major benefits of lucid dreaming is that it empowers you to deal with nightmares because -- wait for it -- you know they are not real; indeed, LDing's usefulness as a tool for confronting or avoiding nightmares is a very popular reason people learn to lucid dream in the first place. Are we talking about the same thing here?
I don't believe everything a DC says, that would be stupid, but I believe certain things can be used as a way to get new ideas or perspective from. For example,dreams/dream characters can help show us certain things about ourselves that we've been denying or repressing. Also, I don't know about never...If my favorite final fantasy character comes up to me in a dream and says lucid dreaming means your aware that your dreaming, so get lucid now, I'm going to believe them. After all, they did get it from my mind and it is correct.
Fair enough. I was just pointing out something that happens to me a lot, and I've seen reported quite often on these forums. But if you've got a DC helping you to become lucid, I'm not arguing about that at all.
I felt a need to respond to your post, simply to clarify a few important things, but I have a feeling, DawnEye11, that we may be operating on slightly different wavelengths here and will not come to an agreement or understanding. So, to avoid messing up your thread and pulling it way off topic, you really don't need to respond to me (I'll just say the same things again anyway).
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