Thread: Struggling with lucid visualization

If for purpose of lucid dreaming, visualization is sometimes made out to be more complicated than it really is. Sure , you can use visualization techniques for meditation and other purposes. But for jumpstarting dreaming process, just thinking about your last day or any fantasy is sufficient. When you get close to falling asleep, your dreaming process will take over and change your thoughts into images. Topic may be different than what you have been thinking about, but by then it's purpose have been fulfilled and you are dreaming, while aware.

About the purpose of the thread: I want to be able to bring in the wake state as many as possible of the abilities I have in the dream world. This would certainly lead to a better real and lucid dream life. Think of:

* Listening to music in your head (I can do that in LDs).
* Having a headmate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa).
* Picturing a hud in real life (and configuring it as you wish).
* Developing your memory into being eidetic (https://goo.gl/eNgxfg).
* Increasing your cognitive function (just think of the insane stuff you can do during a lucid dream).
* Developing muscle mass without lifting (https://goo.gl/KUQ1Qp).
* Studying math without pen and paper (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Morin), playing blindfold chess (although you can do that with some training).
* Etc...

Originally Posted by gab

If for purpose of lucid dreaming, visualization is sometimes made out to be more complicated than it really is.

You are certainly aware of the fact that not everyone has the same visualization abilities. There are people who never experience imagery and people who can picture an object in their mind and then enter the visualization and walk around that object.

But for jumpstarting dreaming process, just thinking about your last day [...] and you are dreaming, while aware.

Having practiced some meditation before falling asleep, I know how my mind works: I focus on breath; at a certain point I forget what I am doing and dreams thoughts start on their own, then I jump back at being awake, incapable of observing them.

If I just "daydream" my mind will shut down randomly and I will wake up the next morning now knowing where exactly it happened. I've never been able to successfully perform a WILD (WBTB, yes). That's why I am focusing on breath before going to sleep (breath is my FILD finger).

tl;dr I'm exactly trying to do what you suggest but I find it difficult.

Originally Posted by markov

You are certainly aware of the fact that not everyone has the same visualization abilities. There are people who never experience imagery and people who can picture an object in their mind and then enter the visualization and walk around that object.

Sorry, I probably explained it wrong.

Yes, I am aware that we all have different visialization abilities. That's why I said that visualizing doesn't have to mean being able to actually see objects. But this is what most people mean when they say or read "you need to visualize" - to actually see objects in our mind.

For the purpose of jumpstarting a dream when we are waiting for one to enter while we WILD, we don't really need to visualize the way people think visualization is. It's enough to just think of something. For example the day you just had, or some fantasy of yours. Or imagine yourself doing some activity that you are familiar with like walking to school, cooking, doing dishes, swimming...

Then as we are getting closer to falling asleep, our mind will take over and start showing us images in form of dreamlets or HH.

But anyway, this is of no use to you, since in your last post you explained that you don't need visualization for lucid dreaming. So nvm my posts.