Questions on WILD/WBTB technique

**wormholejoys** · 05-21-2016 06:21 PM

I have some questions about wake-induced lucid dreams. I am particularly interested in this type of induction because I have naturally awakened after 3-6 hours of sleep almost every night for my entire life, but have never known how to take advantage of this. I have read many different viewpoints about these questions, and would be interested in the techniques you have found to be most successful. The primary questions I have are:

1) How long should I remain awake?

2) Does it matter if I am in or out of bed while awake?

3) Should I be in a lighted or non-lighted environment while awake?

4) What types of activities should I engage in while awake?

5) Should I perform any type of relaxation techniques while falling back asleep?

6) Do certain methods result in more vivid lucid dreams than others? I have had a fair number of lucid dreams in my life, but only one that was truly mind-blowing. Interestingly, that one occurred for no apparent reason.

Any ideas would be appreciated! Bear in mind that the longer I remain awake, the more difficult it is to fall back asleep, so ideally, the shorter amount of time awake, the better, although I would be interested in trying whatever it takes. Thank you!

**Patience108** · 05-21-2016 08:07 PM

Good luck with your wild dive - if you look to Sageous's wild guides and the one with questions and answere you may have loads of your questions answered.

For a successful dive I mostly have to stay awake at least 30 mins - but it's very personal ...give it a try and you will gradually find what's best for you.

For me it doesn't matter if I am in bed or out as long as I am awake BUT if I am sleepy I get out of bed imediatelly ...if I am very awake I can lie in bed but usualy need to get out of bed for a short while

Low light is best for me

I sit quietly sometimes or listen to music that reminds me of lucid dreaming or read a little on rare occasions ...walk about and open the window sometimes and look out at the big starry night imagining myself flying around with in them

When lying back down to sleep I naturally focus on relaxing my body and mind in silent joyfull preparation

if I am very awake I will do the 61 point relaxation

As I lay there I remind myself the next scene I see will be a dream and repeat " I am dreaming " every once in a while to keep me prepared ...I often feel my body fall asleep and start twitching ... That's when I have to keep clear I am about " to lucid dream"

Hope you have a good one

**wormholejoys** · 05-21-2016 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by Patience108

Good luck with your wild dive - if you look to Sageouse's wild guides and the one with questions and answere you may have loads of your questions answered.

For a successful dive I mostly have to stay awake at least 30 mins - but it's very personal ...give it a try and you will gradually find what's best for you.

For me it doesn't matter if I am in bed or out as long as I am awake BUT if I am sleepy I get out of bed imediatelly ...if I am very awake I can lie in bed but usualy need to get out of bed for a short while

Low light is best for me

I sit quietly sometimes or listen to music that reminds me of lucid dreaming or read a little on rare occasions ...walk about and open the window sometimes and look out at the big starry night imagining myself flying around with in them

When lying back down to sleep I naturally focus on relaxing my body and mind in silent joyfull preparation

if I am very awake I will do the 61 point relaxation

As I lay there I remind myself the next scene I see will be a dream and repeat " I am dreaming " every once in a while to keep me prepared ...I often feel my body fall asleep and start twitching ... That's when I have to keep clear I am about " to lucid dream"

Hope you have a good one

Well thank you! Who is Sageouse?

**wormholejoys** · 05-21-2016 09:09 PM

Oh I see Sageous is a forum member

**Sageous** · 05-21-2016 09:40 PM

^^ And this is the WILD Class that Patience suggested. I too recommend that you give it a look; you might find your questions answered there. But as long as I'm here:

1) It is usually best to stay awake for at least 15 minutes with a max of 90, though you need to practice a bit to find the amount of "up" time that works best for you.

2) Yes. Get out of bed. If you don't, you might go back to sleep without waking up quite enough. They don't call it Wake Back to Bed or nothing, you know!

3) Non-lighted. Light is the enemy of sleep.

4) Calm, "dreamy" activities. Do things like thnk about your upcoming WILD, think about the dreams you were just having, read your dream journal, take a quiet walk, etc. Stay away from your phone, computer, or TV.

5) Sure. The 61 points method works pretty well, for one.

6) Not in my opinion. The vividness or wow factor of your LD is entirely up to you, and not the result of a technitque or which transition (WILD or DILD) you choose.

Speaking of the transition: it might be helpful to keep in mind that WILD is not an induction technique, but is rather the descriptor of how your transition to lucidity happens; the "I" in WILD stands for "Initiated," and not induced. You employ techniques -- like WBTB -- to induce a WILD transition (or DILD, for that matter), but the transition itself is not inducing anything.

**wormholejoys** · 05-21-2016 11:52 PM

OK, thank you for the links. I will definitely have to experiment.

**dreamcatcher81** · 05-22-2016 12:53 AM

You could also look into ingesting some type of choline source after you have awakened from sleep as choline converts to acetylcholine in the brain, which ultimately helps boost your awareness during sleep ( after about 2hours) when coupled with an acetylcholinetearse inhibitor. Galantamine/Choline is the most popular combination but I find raw egg yolk( rich in choline) and Huperzine A to be just as effective with fewer side effects. - namaste

**DreamLord1** · 05-22-2016 01:03 AM

This might not work for you, but I've been trying FILD FILD with decent success rates ('bout 75%). In general an "OBE" type WILD, one that starts from your bedroom or some variation of it tend to be the most vivid kinds. On a side note, how's my new forum signature?

**wormholejoys** · 05-22-2016 01:18 AM

I had many "OBE" type WILDs about 1-2 years ago, but have only recently gained interest in inducing them again. I don't buy into the idea that I was actually "leaving my body" though, but they are still pretty cool. I got to a point where I was able to induce them fairly easily after staying out of bed for only five minutes or so, and then, after falling asleep, remaining conscious enough to "get up" during brief periods of natural wakefulness while still in a state of sleep paralysis. I haven't been as successful lately; I suppose it will take some practice. And yeah, your signature is pretty neat.

**wormholejoys** · 05-22-2016 01:23 AM

On another note altogether, does age play a role in the success of lucid dreaming? I'm about to turn twenty, and figured I would be one of the younger members on this forum, but have noticed that many children, age 13-15, seem to be common on the forum and often quite successful. Does the ability to lucid dream diminish as one moves past childhood, or can it be maintained well into adulthood?

**Sageous** · 05-22-2016 01:42 AM

^^ I'm in my 50's, and it still seems to work fine for me.

**Patience108** · 05-22-2016 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by wormholejoys

On another note altogether, does age play a role in the success of lucid dreaming? I'm about to turn twenty, and figured I would be one of the younger members on this forum, but have noticed that many children, age 13-15, seem to be common on the forum and often quite successful. Does the ability to lucid dream diminish as one moves past childhood, or can it be maintained well into adulthood?

Being in my 46th year and having been focused on LDing for just over a year and making steady progress - I feel age is not much of an issue

The main thing seems to be making the time in ones " present moment " life to immerse oneself wholeheartedly and genuinely enough in the practice ...that's the balancing trick ...not how old or young you are