Problem with FILD

[Hunter491]

Hey, During last two early mornings, that is today and yesterday i wake up (without using a clock) at about 6-30 on Saturday and 5-30 on Sunday. Upon awaking i lied completely still without moving an inch, then i started to perform FILD technique, but nothing would happen. I ve heard people speaking so highly of this tech, saying how effective and fast it is. But in my case it usually ends up in: 1.loosing consciousness 2.not being to fall asleep at all What am i doing wrong? I feel like i could achieve a lot by this tech its just i dont know how.

[Hunter491]

oh, comeone can none offer help of any sorts? I ve read all similar topics none provided answer that could satisfy me

[DanielLove]

The two problems you mention are the most common issues lucid dreamers have with any WILD induction technique. A WILD is particularly difficult to induce as the conditions, both biological and psychological, need to be just right. From what you mention, you've only tried a handful of times, and in fairness, even experienced lucid dreamers will struggle to induce a WILD with any consistency unless they have ensured the conditions are correct. If you're waking naturally rather than using an alarm clock, then you've most likely just completed an REM stage, as this generally precedes waking. So in these instances your body is either done with sleep (causing problem number 2), or if you do fall asleep again, you're unlikely to fall directly into REM and rather you'll enter a NREM stage (causing problem number 1). If you want this or any other WILD technique to be more effective, you'll need to initially focus on becoming more familiar with the stages of the sleep cycle and your own sleeping patterns. I'd also suggest experimenting with waking at different times, using an alarm clock, to find a time when you're most likely to fall directly into REM. Wake initiated lucid dreams are probably not the best place to start when trying to experience a lucid dream, as they can be quite illusive and frustrating.

[Hunter491]

Im talking about FILD, not WILD... Sorry, confused

[DanielLove]

That's no problem Hunter, the endless acronyms of lucid dreaming can be confusing. FILD stands for Finger Induced Lucid Dream and is a technique for inducing a WILD, which stands for a Wake Initiated Lucid Dream. FILD is a technique to induce the wake initiated variety of lucid dream - those dreams in which you fall asleep consciously, taking consciousness with you into the dream world. So to clarify, a WILD is a category or type of lucid dream, not a technique. It is a WILD that you are trying to accomplish by using the FILD technique.

[cooleymd]

Why not try the Cycle Adjustment Technique since Daniel Love here invented it (FILD is a type of WILD Hunter since you start out awake and hope to seamlessly drift in to dream with awareness of your moving fingers) If you want to try this FILD then drink a bunch of water and when you wake up in the middle of the night if your only one or two cycles from dawn then stay up for like 20-30 minutes then try (skip over the deep sleep portion of cycle), if you wake early just drink more water and go back to bed hoping to wake up again for a latter try. If you are just laying down at 8pm and hoping to FILD/WILD you have little chance. If your waking up near normal wake time to try then maybe that's why you can't get back to sleep, so try earlier

[Phantasos]

What am i doing wrong? I feel like i could achieve a lot by this tech its just i dont know how. FILD is a type of DEILD (latter can be also described as WILD but the differences between classical WILD and DEILD are big enough to warrant a separate category). So, first I would recommend to read an article on DEILDing. Next, your problem might be the way you are trying to enter an LD. FILD way is only one way of many. For example, after waking up without moving, I sometimes imagine a feeling of spinning like I am trying to spin out of the bed. When I realistically feel I slipped out of the bed, I know I am in dream. Or sometimes I might recreate a feeling of being sucking into the dream, or imagine my mobile phone in my hand... There are a lot of different ways to DEILD. You should try different ones and find few of them best suitable to you.

[Hunter491]

Alright thank you all for your input, I ll read up on DEILDing first and we will see how it goes. I can also just set an alarm, wake myself in the middle of a night. FILD then before cycle ends..