Thread: Twisted Logic

I think, Sageous, that we are as close as necessary to being on the same page with this, whether we look at the dream as a prepackaged whole or as being built on the fly. The result is pretty much the same, or so it seems to me as I look in from the outside. But, we still have that pesky cart before the horse thingy in regard to the ultimate instigator. Maybe with enough banging of the forum's collective heads something will fall out.

The closed system analogy probably is too inclusive. I suppose, upon reflection, that it can not be completely closed or we'd never find our way in. But it is certainly so to a significant degree, at least at the outset. I suppose this is just another way of stating what we've said elsewhere in that we need to find the true initiating trigger that inserts the memory into said system. And, yes, I'm probably being too literal with this analogy.

I think conversations like this, whether carrying repetitive elements or not, help to hone the focus of our targeting computer. But it may eventually give us our true target. We know, for instance, a number of techniques that already penetrate the system. What many of us still search for, though, is the 'why.' We're not satisfied simply knowing a few marginal 'HOWs.' The 'WHY' opens the doors wide.

I agree with your statement regarding the physically dead, but that is such a long, involved, independent topic I won't comment otherwise here. It delves far too deeply into the entire underlying philosophy of LD/OBE.

However, the concept of evasion has intrigued me for a while now. I too often think I've found the perfect dream sign that I can insert via dream incubation, and the dreaming mind laughs and only gives me dream scenarios bereft of said dream sign, as if purposefully mocking my attempts to circumvent the system. Assuming no outside source, I suppose that would be me mocking me. Oh, dear. Perhaps a good internal trashing would clear things up.

And thanks for the DVA WILD class link. I'll check it out.

As a side note, I have no permissions for your time thread. You've locked it away for the exclusive viewing of the privileged few, lol, and I don't meet the necessary criteria for joining.

thanks for the response. At the least, we clear away some of the fog.

Originally Posted by madmagus

As a side note, I have no permissions for your time thread. You've locked it away for the exclusive viewing of the privileged few, lol, and I don't meet the necessary criteria for joining.

I think you just need to PM a mod to give you permission, though I'm not sure. I guess that's why Deep Dreaming isn't a very popular forum!