Thread: Inbetween Realities

I guess I WOULDN'T try to explain it, but might suggest (in order to understand it) trying to listen to what they say. I know what you're talking about. I've wondered if it's aspects of my subconscious dialogging/monologging with itself. This usually happens to me as I am waking up. Sometimes I can prolong the waking process (which I've done specifically in order to hear what the voices "say.") Usually it's indecipherable, but sometimes I feel like it's just me (albeit in "third person") trying to make sense of what I'd been dreaming about.

When I wake up, sometimes I just wake up but occaisionally, I can feel the transition. Í dont hear voices, I just feel something fading, a tingle in my body going away, images before my eyes blending with reality. Awareness that i'm just lying in my bed rises.

oh..I thought you meant voices in waking reality wow, Ive never heard voices - all I hear is my alarm clock, voices would be better though as itd scare the crap out of me when I opened my eyes and no ones there

Lowercase, I've hear the voices all my life, even before I was a lucid dreamer.

Sometimes in English, sometimes German, but a lot of the time, speaking in a language I do not understand.

Kind of freaky, but cool!

I spoke with a friend about this, he said what they were telling me was for my spirit and not my mind and that I did not have to understand it.

The waking phase or what you'd call the "in between wake world and dream world" is an interesting topic I've divulged into before with several friends.

When the brain begins to regain consciousness, or you become alert to something in your surroundings, it's the ascending reticular activation system (ARAS) that begins to alert your body to come to consciousness. When alerted to come to consciousness, the neurotrasmitter (norepinephrine) sends information to the ascending fibers to the cerebellum, limbic system, cerebral cortex, etc.

During this process there can be residual stimulation of the limbic system or cereberal cortex or any other adjacent lobe during waking period.

Besides waking the body up, the ARAS is responsible for bringing alertness to the individuals surroundings (essentially reflexes I suppose) utilising the pons, medulla oblonganta, and the mid-brain.

*Thinks of anything more to add... shakes head*

Reductionists really are discouraging for dreamers.

Hope I've been enlightening

Originally posted by Seeker
Lowercase, I've hear the voices all my life, even before I was a lucid dreamer.

Sometimes in English, sometimes German, but a lot of the time, speaking in a language I do not understand.

Kind of freaky, but cool!

I spoke with a friend about this, he said what they were telling me was for my spirit and not my mind and that I did not have to understand it.

sorry, you all misunderstood...i meant...say you have a roomate, and he has a friend over, and you are sleeping on the couch, and you are awakened by THEIR voices, and they seem distant, and not quite right. Or you live with a family, and they are whispering to not wake you up, and you hear their voices in a dream or something, and they seem distant...etc

Oh yeah! I knew I was right after all hehe Do you mean how waking perceptions can become incorporated into the dream environment? I put it down to the mind staying aware of the body and surrounding environment incase of danger, like keeping one eye open, and I guess they seem distant because the minds focused internally so external perceptions are dulled, odd because they dont originally belong in the dream. Once I had a powercut while sleeping and the dream went really dark - I was in a warehouse full of old cars. Only realised there was a powercut when I woke up and the light switch wouldnt work though, wierd huh.

Does your perception change? Sometimes, after I've woken up I feel like I'm either zoomed in or out, looking at the world, it is hard to explain but basicly it feels like my eyes are binoculars....

oh and I managed to stay concious enough untill I heard hypnagogic sounds for the first time in my life.... some weird low noise, but when I realized it this flash of exitement came trough me so ofcourse I had to start over...

A waking phase? Personally, I don't know what that is. I seem to wake up with a start every time, all through the night each time I awake. I don't come gently out of sleep. My eyes just open, the dream is gone and I'm laying there. I don't really feel a "disconnect" between my dream and waking life at that point. To me, it sort of feels like travelling, like I travelled from the dream to the real world, which feels perfectly normal.

I wake up alot during the night. I don't think I sleep for more than three hours straight unless I'm really drunk!

Waking up alot doesn't affect my lucid dreaming, though.

Interesting hearing about this waking phase.

Originally posted by Lowercase Society+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lowercase Society)</div>

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Lowercase, I've hear the voices all my life, even before I was a lucid dreamer.

Sometimes in English, sometimes German, but a lot of the time, speaking in a language I do not understand.

Kind of freaky, but cool!

I spoke with a friend about this, he said what they were telling me was for my spirit and not my mind and that I did not have to understand it.

sorry, you all misunderstood...i meant...say you have a roomate, and he has a friend over, and you are sleeping on the couch, and you are awakened by THEIR voices, and they seem distant, and not quite right. Or you live with a family, and they are whispering to not wake you up, and you hear their voices in a dream or something, and they seem distant...etc[/b]

That's as I was saying above that the ascending reticular activation system is responsible for your conscious awareness (and alertness) and for waking your brain up. Thus, it is also active during your dreaming period and may incorporate outside events into the dream via the reticular activation system. This may be way, typically, you will awake soon after and thus you realise how something going on in the wake world also happened in your dream.

You guys can talk all day about waking up sensations; but to sum up my sensation i would have to put it this way:

I Know that i am waking up when i feel an overwhelming feeling of desperation and fatigue.

Or sometimes i wake up as if i am a wind up doll. I feel like i need to stop wasting my leasure time.

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Originally posted by Lowercase Society@
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Lowercase, I've hear the voices all my life, even before I was a lucid dreamer.

Sometimes in English, sometimes German, but a lot of the time, speaking in a language I do not understand.

Kind of freaky, but cool!

I spoke with a friend about this, he said what they were telling me was for my spirit and not my mind and that I did not have to understand it.

sorry, you all misunderstood...i meant...say you have a roomate, and he has a friend over, and you are sleeping on the couch, and you are awakened by THEIR voices, and they seem distant, and not quite right. Or you live with a family, and they are whispering to not wake you up, and you hear their voices in a dream or something, and they seem distant...etc

That's as I was saying above that the ascending reticular activation system is responsible for your conscious awareness (and alertness) and for waking your brain up. Thus, it is also active during your dreaming period and may incorporate outside events into the dream via the reticular activation system. This may be way, typically, you will awake soon after and thus you realise how something going on in the wake world also happened in your dream.[/b]

alright...thanks!