Originally posted by Kenomica
True lol...I still have trouble. I tried to create a city in my LD last night...and the best I could do was create small skyscrapers....the size of me.......made from building blocks
anyway, yeah lol...practice makes perfect....although "perfect" may be an impossibilty, but...lets say practice improves ability lol
I'd say you should start small, rather than trying to make a city in your LD, try something smaller first, I don't think i'd get anywhere near creating a skyscraper... I can't even make a person appear yet, lol.
Originally posted by BenQ
"What if it is our dream persona who is thinking "i'm dreaming" rather than us "
I've thought about this quite a few times but never knew how to really formulate this thought...but you said it perfectly... what IF some of my lucid dreams are nothing more than a dream about having a lucid dream? The mind can play so many tricks... what if what I imagined was control was nothing more than a dream about having control?
Thoughts like this especially intrigue me in light of the idea that there is no real time sequence in dreams. For instance, imagine a dream is more like a memory implanted in your head, and upon waking, you order the events and add a sequence to them.
Having said that, I DO think dreams happen in real time and aren't a packaged deal, but a fascinating thought nevertheless. Fred Alan Wolf talks about this in the Dreaming Universe and gives some interresting examples giving weight to both sides related to dream-time.
Dreams are such an ununderstood thing that there are so many questions... It's good to see that others have thought about this as well, maybe it's just a general feeling that we get after a lucid dream?
I think lucid dreams kinda happen in real time. People have said that they've spent a while in a lucid dream which only went for a short time so I think that time may be slightly different or slower in lucid dreams at certain times. It's all really hard to have a good opinion when so little is known about lucid dreams and dreams in general.
I don't really understand the idea of a dream being a memory implanted in our head though, what do you mean by that?
Originally posted by Moonbeam+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Moonbeam)</div>
I know exactly what you mean. It's like I realize I'm dreaming, but I am still limited to the dream I am in, and I only remember the most limited little things that I want to do. I had one last night, and I rubbed my hands once, thinking I was stabilizing, and I totally knew I was dreaming, but I was still wandering around a dungeon-like maze with a stranger and it seemed like that was an OK thing to be doing; I never tried to change the situation. It does seem in a way just like another dream, and I forget my lucids just like other dreams if I don't record them right away. I never thought about like this before, but it is like BenQ said, almost like I am dreaming about being lucid rather than really being lucid.
I hope with experience the lucidity will become more complete, and I will remember to do the things I want to do.[/b]
Exactly, we know we are dreaming, but are still kinda limited sometimes. Maybe it's just a degree of control? Or maybe after we realise we are dreaming we kinda fade off a bit and forget? Or lose control to our subconsious? The lucid dreams I have I seem to have a lot of control, but still wonder why i've done certain things when I've woken up. They seemed logical at the time, but later on when I think about it aren't something I would have done in real life after thinking it through. Lucid dreams just sometimes after i've woken up don't seem like lucid dreams even though I think they are. Wow, that's confusing.
I'm still waiting for another lucid dream so I can pay attention to whether i'm dreaming and in control...etc. Hopefully I'll have one tonight.
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Funny you ask that because I remember having a dream that at the time I thought was a lucid dream.
But I never did any reality checks, and whenever the dream seemed to fade away It was if a VCR tape was out of whack which led to some rather irrational movement by me in my dream which was most probably dream spinning.
Thing is, It was like my mind was simulating a lucid dream while I was not actually being lucid.
Or at least I knew I was dreaming but had no control.
I've also had a lucid dream in which I realised it was a dream but didn't bother taking control. I'm not sure why I didn't either. I forgot I was dreaming around a few moments later after going up some stairs and continuing on with the dream.
That's a strange dream though, though I think we can be lucid without having control, so maybe it was just one of those dreams? I know i've had heaps of dreams in the past (before i knew about lucid dreaming) where I knew I was dreaming, but didn't do anything about it. It basically only helped me when I had a nightmare, as I then knew to stop the dream (not sure whether it was me stopping the dream or my dream persona/subconsious which I thought was me... in fact it's kinda the same problem i'm having here only here I'm actually feeling like i'm in control).
Well, hopefully those messages made sense as well, seeing as the whole thing is kinda hard to describe, if anything didn't make sense which I typed, please tell me
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