Thread: Boosting Rem-sleep?

Has anyone ever tried Calea extract? I'm interested in trying different herbs that may help with dreamwork, and I saw on basementshaman.com they sell both the plant and an extract. I'm not too interested in smoking it, I'd rather ingest it via teas or whatever. I'm not sure which of these would have the potential for a greater impact.

Originally Posted by SoulSearcherX

Has anyone ever tried Calea extract? I'm interested in trying different herbs that may help with dreamwork, and I saw on basementshaman.com they sell both the plant and an extract. I'm not too interested in smoking it, I'd rather ingest it via teas or whatever. I'm not sure which of these would have the potential for a greater impact.
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Well Drinking Calea Tea and Smoking dried Calea: It is recommended to Both drink a Calea Tea and smoke a Calea smoke in the morning to reach maximum effect in the Night. This is how the Indians who commonly used Calea DreamHerb did it.

If you're not a smoker then well...it's up to you what you do with the herb.

BTW Making an Extract of Calea (Or almost ANY Alkaloid/Psychoactive Containing plant) is CHILDS PLAY. eaasy. so I might try that too. and see if I can home-make extract(which is more potent cuz it's pure) from Calea Dried plantmaterial and see if I end up paying LESS for the extract than Smartshops and Hebralists ask for it.

I stopped using marijuana several months ago, but even before I did I had switched to using a vaporizor because I had difficulty with the smoke. So if calea would work with that vaporizor, which has a fixed temperature and therefore may not work with every plant, I could try that. I recently tried mugwort with it and I was not able to get any noticeable vapor the way I did with weed.

How do you make an extract? Just by soaking the plant in some alcohol?

I reccomend the 10x concentrated calea. It is quite a bit more expensive (about $20.00 for 3 grams) but you don't have to smoke as much. I get much better results from the 10x. I have a hard time smoking enough to have much of an affect with the non concentrate.

I also reccomned trying the tea, just to say that you have. It is..... unique. Most people can't handle the taste, I can barely handle it. Keep in mind that it is not really economical to make the tea with the 10x though, since you can get 28 grams of the non concentrated for $7.00.

I have been reading on Salvia, and honestly... I think I am too big of a chicken to try it. It certainly sounds cool, but the bad trips seem.... very bad. It is crazy to think how much psychological damage people can get from a 5 minute trip.

Anyway, good luck with the Calea and go for the 10x, it is worth it IMHO.

Originally Posted by SKA

Yeah well the strange thing about my Dream Recall lately, is that Allthough I still only Remember 1 Complete dream a night (not even every night) throughout the entire day I get ,sometimes very immersive, Flashbacks of older dreams, Dreams I had Earlier that Night, Dreams I had YEARS ago, Dreams I had a Month ago. Like millions of scrambled pieces of information and glances of DreamScenes and Situations.
These flashbacks also consist of emotional ''impressions'' and ''abstract'' thoughts I have for split seconds while also seeing a flash of an old DreamScene.

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Lately this has been happening to me. But I really can't say how long ago the dreams were.

I remembered a dream where I thought I had it a long time ago, but wonder if it was just the preceding night. I just get the feeling and an image with it, but nothing else. It's confusing, because I wonder why I was feeling the way I did.

It is really strange how this happens. I didn't even really think about it until you mentioned it.

Originally Posted by carlhungis

I reccomend the 10x concentrated calea. It is quite a bit more expensive (about $20.00 for 3 grams) but you don't have to smoke as much. I get much better results from the 10x. I have a hard time smoking enough to have much of an affect with the non concentrate.

I also reccomned trying the tea, just to say that you have. It is..... unique. Most people can't handle the taste, I can barely handle it. Keep in mind that it is not really economical to make the tea with the 10x though, since you can get 28 grams of the non concentrated for $7.00.

I have been reading on Salvia, and honestly... I think I am too big of a chicken to try it. It certainly sounds cool, but the bad trips seem.... very bad. It is crazy to think how much psychological damage people can get from a 5 minute trip.

Anyway, good luck with the Calea and go for the 10x, it is worth it IMHO.
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yeah in fact I just filled in an ordering form ofAzarius smartshop to order the 10X Cale extract. In the end it's more effective in lower doses and thus cheaper.
But I see I can also call them so I think I'll pick up the phone and order some today I've been wanting to try this for months so I'll just go and order it now .

Hey,

Last year I experimented with DMT every weekend. It was by far the best drug I have ever taken, and I have pretty much taken them all. It is very akin to Lucid Dreaming because when you "break though" you actually enter an entirely new realm of existence, and "what arrests my attention is, this space, is inhabited" (McKenna)... it blew my effing mind wide open. It is also similar to Astral Projection, particularly the "ascentding process". There is a zinging vibration that happens in your head and within a few seconds you blast off and into a new world.

Each time I entered this alternate reality I was so overwhelmed by something that I remembered that I forgot in normal reality that I couldn't believe it. How could I have forgotten that! It was so huge that I would cover my head in this new world and keep my face on the ground. The birds would be singing (yes, there are birds&#33 and "beings" would be around but I dared not look up for this disrespectful forgetting!

"I'm sorry. I;m sorry. I'm sorry. I'm Sorry, " I would repeat in earnest. The beings often showed me snippets of my life, even my past thoughts that "weren't to my benefit". hese images made me appologise even more. I remember the first time I broke through after a ppologising in responce to these images they (about 6 unseen beings) said, "You don't need to be sorry, stop saying sorry."

"Sorry," I replied and we all laughed. It was beautiful.

I only stopped using it because I got some 5meod DMT which was a white powder instead of the nice yellow of the other stuff. That was a fifteen minute hell... the vibration almost fried my brain and I vommited all over the place. Even though I kept reassuring myself that no one had ever dies using tryptamines I really thought I would be the first... maybe there were impurities in the mix... haven't done it since, but I would like to if I knew of a reliable source.

I checked out the "Iamshaman Shop" and you can get Salvia there!? What the? That shit is Po-tent! I can't believe it could be legal anywhere. That was probably the second most intense drug experience I ever had. Never a bad one, but I could sense one coming on, so I stopped. Same with Shrooms.

Peace out,

Rob.

Originally Posted by Daen

Hey,

Last year I experimented with DMT every weekend. It was by far the best drug I have ever taken, and I have pretty much taken them all. It is very akin to Lucid Dreaming because when you "break though" you actually enter an entirely new realm of existence, and "what arrests my attention is, this space, is inhabited" (McKenna)... it blew my effing mind wide open. It is also similar to Astral Projection, particularly the "ascentding process". There is a zinging vibration that happens in your head and within a few seconds you blast off and into a new world.

Each time I entered this alternate reality I was so overwhelmed by something that I remembered that I forgot in normal reality that I couldn't believe it. How could I have forgotten that! It was so huge that I would cover my head in this new world and keep my face on the ground. The birds would be singing (yes, there are birds&#33 and "beings" would be around but I dared not look up for this disrespectful forgetting!

"I'm sorry. I;m sorry. I'm sorry. I'm Sorry, " I would repeat in earnest. The beings often showed me snippets of my life, even my past thoughts that "weren't to my benefit". hese images made me appologise even more. I remember the first time I broke through after a ppologising in responce to these images they (about 6 unseen beings) said, "You don't need to be sorry, stop saying sorry."

"Sorry," I replied and we all laughed. It was beautiful.

I only stopped using it because I got some 5meod DMT which was a white powder instead of the nice yellow of the other stuff. That was a fifteen minute hell... the vibration almost fried my brain and I vommited all over the place. Even though I kept reassuring myself that no one had ever dies using tryptamines I really thought I would be the first... maybe there were impurities in the mix... haven't done it since, but I would like to if I knew of a reliable source.

I checked out the "Iamshaman Shop" and you can get Salvia there!? What the? That shit is Po-tent! I can't believe it could be legal anywhere. That was probably the second most intense drug experience I ever had. Never a bad one, but I could sense one coming on, so I stopped. Same with Shrooms.

Peace out,

Rob.
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Yeah DMT ( NN,DMT) is naturally occuring in the human brain too. It is most probably the substance for psychedelic experiences such as dreams. The ''stuff dreams are made of''? I can't get my hands on pure DMT. And the variant of DMT you smoked and went bad on was most probably 5HO-DMT, A.K.A Bufotenin: It is know as a fear drug inducing heavy duty fear. 5MEO-DMT is know to be a weaker DMT that is potent in much lower doses than NN,DMT so if you dosed yourself with 5MEO,DMT the way you'd normally dose yourself with NN,DMT you probably took waaaaay too much which could also have been the cause for the overly intense experience.


Well I ordered 2 packs of Calea DreamHerb Extract X10 and I actually know the owner of the SmartShop She said it would either be arriving tomorrow or the day after. Well I cannot wait. I shall post any results it may have on my dreams in my ''Psychedelic experiences'' topic for all of you to read.

PS: She also told me that they might have Pure, smokable DMT for sale there soon too. I'll be the first to buy it

Originally Posted by carlhungis

I have been reading on Salvia, and honestly... I think I am too big of a chicken to try it. It certainly sounds cool, but the bad trips seem.... very bad. It is crazy to think how much psychological damage people can get from a 5 minute trip.[/b]

Try chewing it, it's a lot less intense that way and lasts longer. I haven't broken through with it but felt some effects...nothing like any accounts of a full blown experience though! It just affected my vision and my balance; it felt like I was 'back home' or 'somewhere I've been before'; like I was being watched, not in a creepy way; realizing the big cosmic joke...etc. I want to get some more and try to go further, it's supposed to have a reverse tolerance thing: the more you do it, the stronger it gets. It tastes bad! That's an understatement but I recommend chewing it, I'm too chicken to smoke it!

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Yeah DMT ( NN,DMT) is naturally occuring in the human brain too. It is most probably the substance for psychedelic experiences such as dreams. The &#39;&#39;stuff dreams are made of&#39;&#39;?[/b]

It&#39;s supposed to be released by the pineal gland at birth (I think) and at the moment of death, although I&#39;m not sure if that&#39;s speculation or fact. Could account for near-death experiences and &#39;the afterlife&#39;?....

Changing the subject slightly, I think another way to increase REM sleep is to take substances which actually increase Non REM sleep when you take them, so you get a rebound effect when they start to wear off, and much longer REM (i.e., at the end of the night, when REM preiods are normally longest anyway).

Melatonin will work in this way (by increasing Non REM sleep after you take it), as does Diphenhydramine (the active ingredient in Nytol/ Benadryl), and other antihistamines generally.

This is possibly why some people just get zonked out when they take antihistamines, whereas other people remember really vivid, intense dreams ~ basically, you have to allow time for the Nytol (or whatever) to work through your system, and start to wear off (usually, about 4-8 hours I think), so you get the REM rebound.

Diphenhydramine is also anticholinergic (knocks back Acetylcholine), which means you also ~ potentially anyway ~ get a Choline rebound when it starts to wear off. Waking up after 4/5 hours and taking something like DMAE, Ginkgo, Lecithin or some other form of Choline supplement could increase this effect & also your chances of having longer & more vivid dreams.

Actually, thinking about it, I guess if you take ANY Choline supplement (such as CDP Choline, DMAE, Alpha GPC, etc), this would probably boost your REM sleep by itself, since I think this is one of the main functions (or effects) of Acetylcholine anyway.. ?

i&#39;ve found calea works best when both tea and smoking are used in conjunction. either by itself is less effective.

for myself, a medium handful of leaves steeped for half an hour for the tea.
a calea "joint" with a tic tack size portion of 10X extract mixed in with plain leaf.

tea, then joint.
other methods have disappointed, and even seemed to affect my dream recall/vividness negatively.
however, the combo above is guaranteed to induce long, vivid, interconnected dreams everytime.

each person is different, but i have found that shamanistic cultures use certain techniques of ingestion for a reason...they do have thousands of years worth of experience by which trial and error has refined their knowledge.

simply look at auyahusca (sp?). they may not have explicitly known the chemical reasons for why separately inactive plants synergized so powerfully when combined in a specific way, but they arrived at the same practial knowledge via experience.

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as far as salvia goes...i highly recommend the following for beginners: try each method in succession (preferably on separate days) until you are introduced. you will know when you are *laughs*

1. try the quid method (chewing 5-10 plain leaves for 15 minutes, holding the juices near the back of your throat as much as possible)
up the dosage by two or three leaves on each occasion until you feel the effects.
(if you have a scale, weigh 5-10 six inch long leaves for a starting point, and increase weight by 0.5-1 grams each time...this is more accurate)

2. when you feel comfortable with mild-moderate effects, smoke 1-3 large inhalations of plain leaf from a water bong with ice in it, holding in as long as possible.

for some, plain leaf will be all they ever need...reactions to salvia are widely varied. (personally, i mix my own blend of 3X which is sufficiently potent)

3. if all else fails, and one still hasn&#39;t "broken through", try 5 or 6X standardized extract in a water bong.

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oh, and for anyone seriously interested in this wonderful, powerful, very unique plant, there exists a forum dedicated almost exclusively to it...http://www.entheo-worldeyes.org/

there is a brief application process to keep the foolish and intolerant away, but the members are extremely helpful, particularly concerning advice on dosages, settings, working with the effects, etc.

a few more hippie new agey types than most places, but the advice of some there has been indispensable in my own work with this ally. highly recommended.

if you need a user-reference to jump any cue, PM me for my username

Originally Posted by Jess

It&#39;s supposed to be released by the pineal gland at birth (I think) and at the moment of death, although I&#39;m not sure if that&#39;s speculation or fact. Could account for near-death experiences and &#39;the afterlife&#39;?....
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Yeah It is released in the Pineal Gland.It&#39;s been held accountable for near-death experiences and Ufo-abductions: A bright white light comming towards them, feeling safe, feeling zoned out, traveling to that light, having contact with entities..etc. Each person interprest it differently (Astral Travel to a &#39;&#39;higher place&#39;&#39;, UFO abduction with Alien entities), but the things they&#39;ve seen are the same. It is know that people with Schizophrenia have way to high levels of DMT circulating. It&#39;s like their natural flow of DMT in the pineal gland is way out of balance and thus they are constantly hallucinating hard. It would explain why they are so difficult to communicate with too. Ever tried communicating on shrooms? Those who have tried will know what I mean.I speak from experience . I know a guy with schizophrenia.

And it is also held accountable for our dreams. Perhaps it is released in that REM-phase and that&#39;s why we&#39;re suddenly tripping hard; Cuz that&#39;s what dreaming is when you think about it. You are unconcious and paralised, your eyes are trembling like crazy, shocks may come over you, you comletely hallucinate a complete Visual scenerey, imaginairy people, Imaginairy sounds, Imaginairy emotions all Wrapped up in a very odd Imaginairy story, and you believe you are there because it&#39;s so all around you and Immersive, while really you&#39;re just lying unconcious in a dark bedroom. Isn&#39;t that the every night &#39;&#39;Trip&#39;&#39; we have? Wonderfull nature.

Changing the subject slightly, I think another way to increase REM sleep is to take substances which actually increase Non REM sleep when you take them, so you get a rebound effect when they start to wear off, and much longer REM (i.e., at the end of the night, when REM preiods are normally longest anyway).

Melatonin will work in this way (by increasing Non REM sleep after you take it), as does Diphenhydramine (the active ingredient in Nytol/ Benadryl), and other antihistamines generally.[/b]

Actually I have been taking 3mg Melatonin pills every night because I always have trouble falling asleep. It whiped out my dream Recall for years. Actually when I decided to stop taking them my dream recall returned to me.

As for Benadryl and such Anti-histamine drinks: They just knock you out cold. I have such a drink: Promethazine, I don&#39;t know it may be the same as benadryl but then with a different name. When I take it I just go K.O. and wake up with 0 dreamrecall thinking: &#39;&#39;huh, did I fall asleep?&#39;&#39; It Kills my REM-sleep.

Originally Posted by SKA

so if you dosed yourself with 5MEO,DMT the way you&#39;d normally dose yourself with NN,DMT you probably took waaaaay too much which could also have been the cause for the overly intense experience.

PS: She also told me that they might have Pure, smokable DMT for sale there soon too. I&#39;ll be the first to buy it
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Yep. That&#39;s exactly what happened. After experiementing with about 14 trips of the "nice" yellow DMT I had I learned that you couldn&#39;t be a pussy about it and you had to smoke enough (more than a match head) to break through into hyperspace. So I foolishly took a similar amount of this nasty, white shit andbang, I was gone.

I wonder if we could stimulate the release of DMT in our brains using Hypnosis... or increase production... must do some research. Ska, maybe you and I can write up a script for said hypnosis, based on good research though. Everyone should get to experience DMT.

Peace.

P.S. You can get DMT? I don&#39;t understand. That&#39;s fucking crazy... my address is 60 Lyon Street, Repton. NSW. 2454. Australia... I will make sure you are well paid. =)

Originally Posted by Daen

Yep. That&#39;s exactly what happened. After experiementing with about 14 trips of the "nice" yellow DMT I had I learned that you couldn&#39;t be a pussy about it and you had to smoke enough (more than a match head) to break through into hyperspace. So I foolishly took a similar amount of this nasty, white shit andbang, I was gone.

I wonder if we could stimulate the release of DMT in our brains using Hypnosis... or increase production... must do some research. Ska, maybe you and I can write up a script for said hypnosis, based on good research though. Everyone should get to experience DMT.

Peace.

P.S. You can get DMT? I don&#39;t understand. That&#39;s fucking crazy... my address is 60 Lyon Street, Repton. NSW. 2454. Australia... I will make sure you are well paid. =)
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Yeah ways of stimulating the natural DMT flow in the Pineal gland. I&#39;ve been thinking of tyhat alot. I think perhaps substances such as MDMA, Acid and Psilocybin/Psilocyn may do that in a short temporary way. I don&#39;t know it&#39;s never been checked scientifically. They should check DMT levels for possibly rising destinctively and temporarily in Acid, MDMA, and Mushroom-tripping people.

However it wouldn&#39;t be wise to screw around too much with the Pineal Gland&#39;s release of DMT: Last thing you want is to permanently destabilise it&#39;s DMT release: I ASSUME you could become schizophrenic, or at least very very psychologically messed up, by doing that too much.

I am defenitively intrerrested in finding wyas, perhaps with Smartdrugs and Other nutricians combined, perhaps herbs with certain subtile alkaloids, to see if the DMT flow can be boosted. Not on a long term but Quickly and alot of it at once. That would make for a noticable conciousness expanding experience perhaps.

See if you can find any info on the Pineal Gland, what substances circulate there, and what may possibly Stimulate and significantly increase the release of DMT. So will I.

PS: About the DMT. I haven&#39;t seen Pure Smokable NN,DMT in their sales yet. I&#39;ve spoken to the Smartshop owner when I saw her recently at LowLands Festival and she said that they WOULD be having it some time in the future. I&#39;ll let you know then, but I&#39;ll bet my money on it that it will be forbidden in Australia which has very strict and many druglaws. However the SmartStore Azarius DOES sell DMT-holding dried plant material such as Mimosa Hostilis Root Bark, Canary Reed Grass(Phalaris Arundinacea), Desmanthus illinois and Psychotria Viridis as parts of DIY-Ayahuashca brewing kits.

I have just checked and all of these products have NO shipping restrictions to ANYwhere in the world, meaning you can order them and have them shipped according to the law I assume.
When a product is illigal somewhere, there are Shipping restrictions to that country.
Usually while the Pure substances are forbidden the crude plant materials containing these alkaloids are legal and allowed to buy.
You&#39;d only need to figure out a very clean way of extracting as pure as possible NN,DMT. I know an efficient way but I don&#39;t know if the Result will be very clean DMT. It involves Pure (Ethanol) Alcohol to extract Alkaloids by filtering the DMT-less plant m,aterial from the in alcohol solved Alkaloids and putting that DMT Residue in Water mixed with Vinigar as a weak acidic bath to solve and filter out fats that may still be attatched to the DMT. I&#39;d rather not use Alkalid solving substances such as PoolCleaning fluids, as is often suggested, because that is too toxic to afford having ANYTHING left lingering in the DMT-residue you plan to Smoke. Therefor Ethanol alcohol will be much better for the Job: Leaves behind no residual substances: it&#39;s pure alcohol and vaporises pretty fast, leaving the DMT-residue dry and free of any residues from the Ethanol.

But I&#39;d prefer to buy it From the SmartStore when they have it for sale. It was grown and made by Professionals in the Department;It&#39;ll surely be the Cleanest, most effective DMT.
A child could do it basically. Of course, if it would get you in trouble with the Laws in your country I wouldn&#39;t suggest doiing it off course