Thread: Boosting Rem-sleep?

I've heard people use a combination of Melatonin and B6. However doses of B6 above 300mg have been known to cause nightmares and stuff.

Originally Posted by SKA

I know that smoking marijuana, drinking alcohol or ingesting other Euphoric ''Depressants'' supress REM-sleep, as it plunges you into a very deep, near coma-like, sleep.

I was wondering wether any of you people here know any technique's as how to BOOST REM-sleep, Possibly Increasing the Vividness and Visual awareness in Dreams?

I know, for one, that when you smoke marijuana regulairly, SUDDENLY STOPPING is said to give you an REM-Rebound resulting in that it gives you very vivid and clear dreams: and more chance to attain lucidity I assume. I want to potentiate my REM-sleep so it lasts longer and acts stronger so my dreams are more vivid, sharp and clear, instead of hazy, foggy and hard to remember.

If anyone of you know an efficient way, nutrician, technique, herb or anything that can Boost the REM-sleep Let me know and post it here.
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I have Melatonine as a presciption medicine and my mom's got B6 pills in great piles. I tried it once but at the time my Dream Recall was too messed up.

Okay I'm going to make a list in my First Post. Every Suggestion,psychoactive, technique or anything that boosts and prolongs REM-sleep shall be put down in that list so I can have some oversight on them and try combinations of them.

Alcohol is a no, it kills my recall.

Never tried melatonin and B6.

Pot gave me from what I can remember now, some very "colorful" dreams.

Originally Posted by blade5x

Alcohol is a no, it kills my recall.

Never tried melatonin and B6.

Pot gave me from what I can remember now, some very "colorful" dreams.
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That may be because Marijuana is, besides a Euphoric Depressant, also somewhat Psychedelic: Something that Potentiates Imagination and Creativity.
However I usually smoke pot during the day when with friends or like now behind the PC.

Perhaps IF the PSYCHEDELIC effect lasts longer than the DEPRESSANT effects, I could try and time when to smoke Pot. So that I enter sleep without The Depressant Effects but still WITh the desirable Psychedelic effects. I'll have to make a personal aware analysis of the psychedelic, euphoric and depressant effects and how long each last.

I don't know about prolonging REM sleep, but I find that having a regular sleep schedule, where you sleep enough helps with recall and LD induction. I think it is the regular REM schedule that hleps more than anything, though I don't think this actualy prolongs it.

Do you keep a dream journal?
How often do you smoke all day (from morning to night) or just occasionally?

I used to smoke all day everyday for about 2 years. Now at the time I wasnt to big into LDing but I did try. I found I had very little to no recall. I recently went on a three week trip with the family (which means it was hard for me to smoke and since it was an international vacation I couldnt smuggle any pot either) I ended up not smokeing for three weeks and decided at the end of the trip to never smoke again.

A couple days after not smoking my dreams were very vivid! Im not sure if it was because my mind wasnt as cloudy from the pot or if it was because I was on vacation and had no real worries. I assume it was a little of both.

My advice to you would be to stop smoking all together it makes my life a lot more productive; however if thats not gonna happen (which is fair I'm not your mother) I would at least try to cut back, smoke once or twice a week. Not only will you get HIGH again but you will find your recall will get better and your functioning throughtout the day will be easier. Also smoking at night right before bed makes recall basically impossible so maybe smoking during the morning or afternoon would also help. And one last thing before I bore you death is a dream journal. Keeping one to write down even the little bit that you remember will go a long way if you keep at it.

I've got a DreamJournal and a Pen Right next to my bed Lately my dream recall has been improving: However Lately I have been smoking pot almost dayly. Sometimes in periods I just smoke dayly. Then sometimes I decide not to smoke and I don't smoke for 3 weeks. It differs from time to time.

However Marijuana & Dreams still remain an interresting subject since, Allthough Marijuana-highs Supress REMsleep there is also, besides the Depressant effect, The psychedelic effect of weed. It greatly stimulates Imagination and Creativity.

So If I could have the Psychedelic without the Depressant effect. Perhaps if the Psychedelic Effect lasts longer I could time it right so I smoke a Joint, Undergo the Depressant effects, and when they are gone Go to sleep with the Psychedelic effect still in Mind. Some people report very vivid and colorfull dreams after smoking marijuana. I believe due to the slightly Psychedelic effect of Weed.

You know... after stopping for awhile and focusing so much of LDing I noticed when I'm high that I feel just like I'm in a dream. The way everything flows and the lack of attention span and clarity, lol.
So I don't know what kind of implications come with that... harder time attaining lucidity maybe?

Originally Posted by DyerMaker

You know... after stopping for awhile and focusing so much of LDing I noticed when I'm high that I feel just like I'm in a dream. The way everything flows and the lack of attention span and clarity, lol.
So I don't know what kind of implications come with that... harder time attaining lucidity maybe?
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Yeah well the strange thing about my Dream Recall lately, is that Allthough I still only Remember 1 Complete dream a night (not even every night) throughout the entire day I get ,sometimes very immersive, Flashbacks of older dreams, Dreams I had Earlier that Night, Dreams I had YEARS ago, Dreams I had a Month ago. Like millions of scrambled pieces of information and glances of DreamScenes and Situations.
These flashbacks also consist of emotional ''impressions'' and ''abstract'' thoughts I have for split seconds while also seeing a flash of an old DreamScene.

So it's like My Dreaming Mind is comming more and more into my Waking Life. Perhaps I could also bring my Waking (concious) Mind into my Dreams then.

Now I noticed that people taking evening naps, and morning back to bed naps usually have more vivid and lucid dreams: Appearantly the REM-sleep is most active and lasts longest when you go to sleep being well rested already. Not TOO tired or Stoned or Drunk as it drops you in a deep coma-sleep. The light sleep is desired.

any further suggestions as to what may boost and/or prolong REMsleep?

Calea Zacatechichi will do some absolutely incredible things for prolonging-REM (I don't know if that's physiologically, or if it simply let's you experience more of the REM that you already have) but also boosts vividness.

what is this "dream herb" and how would one abtain it? Just go to GNC? Also.. I smoked weed for 5 years, mabye 2-3 of those were daily. 1-2 years i picked up the habit to smoke before bed. I stopped 3 weeks after getting no where with lucid dreaming, WILD's, or anything of the like. 3 days later, i had the most intense, vivid dream you could imagine. I think i actually became lucid, Ill have to check the dream journal. a week later, i got my first induced lucid dream. Short, but well worth it. It gave me the motivation to keep up the hard work.

On the psychedelic effects, verses the depressive effects... I think your thinking about it backwards. The depressive effects comes well after the psychedlic effects leave. If you eat they can entertwine for a period of time, but you still get both, and not just one. If you want to get a weed psychedelic dream just do this. Smoke the smallest amount of weed possible for a high. Wait out the high until it feels totally gone. Dont eat, and dont sleep. Just ride it out. Then take 2 mgs of melotonin. Or you could not smoke for a while and take 2 mgs of melotonin. The point is, is you still want that creative glow you get from smoking, but also be alert and aware in your dream. Smoking weed just isnt worth it though. You get soo much in return for quitting.

Here is a great place to find info on Calea.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/calea_zacatechichi/

As far as buying it, you can get it from herb shops, local or online, such as iamshaman.com and the like.

It takes a couple of days of use before the effects really began to surface, which is why many people try it a few times and quit but I ordered enough to experiment for about a month with and really enjoyed it. If you ask me, it doesn't help much with becoming lucid (in the "recognizing the dream state" sense, but it makes your dreams much more vivid and prolonged (dreams can seem to last all night.)

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Here is a great place to find info on Calea.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/calea_zacatechichi/

As far as buying it, you can get it from herb shops, local or online, such as iamshaman.com and the like.

It takes a couple of days of use before the effects really began to surface, which is why many people try it a few times and quit but I ordered enough to experiment for about a month with and really enjoyed it. If you ask me, it doesn't help much with becoming lucid (in the "recognizing the dream state" sense, but it makes your dreams much more vivid and prolonged (dreams can seem to last all night.)
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Hey I read the Vaults of Erowid almost Every Day

Yeah I've read about this Calea Zacatechichi Dreamhebr and told the Local New age store to try and get it in their new herbal corner they're setting up. But I can Easily order it at a Dutch Smartshop and have it Delivered within 24 hours without any transport-costs why o why haven't I done that yet. I beieve I can even pay Cash when he Delivery man is at the door.

www.azarius.nl Bless this free Country

Hahaha. Cash at the door??
That's f'ckin Nice.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Hahaha. Cash at the door??
That's f'ckin Nice.
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yeah real sweeeet and oh Sh*t I just found out I can get 50 GRAMS for €15,- That's a nice, reasonable price Yeah I might order those soon.

PS: And also soon I'm going to Order These DMT-containing Dried Psychotria Viridis Plants
These dried plants are actually to be used to prepare Ayahuashca Brews but any FOOL could EXTRACT The DMT-Alkaloids from the dried plant material resulting in having A crystal white powder: DMT in it's Purest form which can be smoked to induce shortlasting ( Max=1hour) powerfull immersive (as in Salvia immersive) visionary states.

So what if you used the african dream herb after you smoked weed?

Oh and I used to do salvia and I didnt like it much. Though I did until a bad trip. Which eventually after going through the salvia website, meditation books and so on led me to this site. But anyway it's nothing like salvia right??

Originally Posted by Pyrox

So what if you used the african dream herb after you smoked weed?

Oh and I used to do salvia and I didnt like it much. Though I did until a bad trip. Which eventually after going through the salvia website, meditation books and so on led me to this site. But anyway it's nothing like salvia right??
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Oh hell no, not even close.
DMT of which I spoke comes somewhat close: That, and Salvia, will bring a Really Awareness shifting trip with severely altered perception and''being gone'' as if you were somewhere in Psychedelic Hyperspace for an Hour or so.

Smoking Calea Zacatechichi and/or Drinking Calea Zacatechichi Tea WILL bring a slightly Psychedelic, relaxing mood, said to possibly deliver MINOR hallucinations, mainly Auditory: hearing voices and Many vivid Closed eyes Visuals ( a Slightly Schizophrenic herb ) Nothing too intense at all. The REAL magic of this Herb is Experienced during SLEEP after having ingested Calea Dreamherb, be it smoked and/or drunk in a Tea.


It seems to boost Imagination, bring a slight trance like state of Mind with weak hallucinations ( think more like ''Hyper Imagination'': being able to Project the ''Images in your head'' Easier into and with Imagination slightly alter your Real Enviroment.)

AFRICAN Dream Herb, however, is ANOTHER dream herb as Calea: Calea is a South-American Herb, Mexican I believe.
I've heard of 2 African Dream herbs, one being a huge brown Bean that float around the world's oceans and wash up on shores and the other being the Root of another plant used by Shamans in the North-eastern Region of South-Africa.

Behold: Calea DreamHerb African Dream Root
Both these 2 Herbs Seem to do little to you while awake, but will SKYROCKET Hypnagogia as you fall asleep, giving you VERY colorfull and Vivid Dreams.

I'm going to Add The AFRICAN DREAMROOT to the list too. and I might order it from azarius.nl too

P.S.: For all of those who think it's pathetic to do all sorts of Psycho-active and Spiritual methods Experiments based on ''mere'' Speculations: Read this and see how it is a good thing that there's people out there Experimenting away and Finding out some Interresting things that may apply to others too:
Read this

i strongly recommend calea as well...actually it's been awhile...think i'll have a huge cup o tea tonight

also been waiting on some african dreamroot for months (backordered) but i'll let you know...

some studies have suggested that small doses of tryptamines boost REM sleep. i've eaten small doses of mushrooms right before bed (all under a gram) and had varying effects. one night nothing seemed extraordinary...another, i had crazy vivid dreams. and many of them at that.

happy dreaming!

Thanks SKA-

Wow... I'm very interested in this.

Is this legal in the US? And is it expensive?

Questions for people that use it :

Does it create better recall in the morning?
Is it easier to get LDs once ingested?
Does it increase vividness and control in LDs?
It would seem with the hypnagogia increased that a WILD would be easier to obtain. Is this so?

Thanks alot

Originally Posted by Pyrox

Thanks SKA-

Wow... I'm very interested in this.

Is this legal in the US? And is it expensive?

Questions for people that use it :

Does it create better recall in the morning?
Is it easier to get LDs once ingested?
Does it increase vividness and control in LDs?
It would seem with the hypnagogia increased that a WILD would be easier to obtain. Is this so?

Thanks alot
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Yes, it's legal in the US.
As far as recall, it depends. For me, it makes my dreams much more potent, so there is a better chance I remember them in the morning.
As far as LDs, it usually causes more weird shit to happen in my dreams, so if you are good at picking up dreamsigns or dream "weirdness," which I'm only moderately good at, I think it could help a lot. Nothing really noticeable, to me, but I've had plenty of LDs on Calea.
Vividness - Absolutely. Calea has given me some of the most vivid dreams I've ever had - Even in LDs. They can be completely overwhelming, sometimes. Control is sometimes a gamble because the dreams are often so vivid and intense, it's hard to exert a lot of influence over them, but not always.
The hypnogogia is incredible, but I've never been great at WILDs, so someone can probably answer that question a little better than me. I haven't noticed anything that stands out..
BUT...the hypnogogia can be so intense that you seem to slip into momentary dreams. That easy transition, I'm assuming, can help in WILD, but I usually change scenes or surface back and forth to and from normal hypnogogia before I really get any chances to induce lucidity within the images.

Thanks for the reply. But with increased vividness wouldn't be easier to remember? Or is that what you meant be potent?

I've looked around and found it to be around $5/oz. Is this a good price, because I'm thinking about ordering tonight. Lately my dreams have been a little less vivid than I'd like, so I really want to try it.

Originally Posted by Pyrox

Thanks for the reply. But with increased vividness wouldn't be easier to remember? Or is that what you meant be potent?
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Well, you have to remember that there are many different variables that affect dream recall - how much sleep you get, sleeping position (for some), stress, anticipation, focus, apathy. They all play some role. For someone with sleeping habits as erradic as mine, it's hard to say, with any certainty, if something is or isn't guaranteed to give me something like good recall. But yea, I think that, if increased vividness is something that's going to make you remember your dreams better (which it usually does for me, but, like I said, not always) then yeah, it should work great for you.

And that's a good price. I got 4oz for about $20, here, so that's not bad at all.

So herb shops sell it for that price too?

And it sells in vitamin shops or smoke shops? I don't really know of a herb shop around here.. I need to know because I'm going to cruise around looking for it.

Originally Posted by Pyrox

So herb shops sell it for that price too?

And it sells in vitamin shops or smoke shops? I don't really know of a herb shop around here.. I need to know because I'm going to cruise around looking for it.
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I actually don't know any shops you can get it from, I got mine online.