Thread: Not Sleeping

I have been awake around 40 hours once, but it did not help lucidity so much. I fell asleep quickly, though, and I had a 17 hour long sleep.

Im not absolutley sure on this but I think the lack of sleep will just make you sleep deeper, and most dreams happen in the lighter stages. I could be wrong, though.

Originally Posted by Forsaken

Im not absolutley sure on this but I think the lack of sleep will just make you sleep deeper, and most dreams happen in the lighter stages. I could be wrong, though.
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I agree, The more Exhausted and sleepy you are, the deeper you plunge into a deep sleep and the less time of your sleep will be REM stages: Severe Lack of Sleep and Depressant Drugs seem to surpress REM-sleep, resulting in less and less vivid dreams:

Dreams are usually most vivid and easy to remember when sleeping lightly: So, sleeping when you're already well rested: Just tired enough to be able to fall asleep. That's when we sleep Lightly and Experience vivid Dreams due to very powerfull and frequent REM-stages. (Usually this is seen in evening Naps, or early morning Back to bed Naps) I assume that if you do alot of really exhausting physical excersize to wear yourself down (Physically only) and THEN going to sleep might help in having vivid dreams and attaining lucidity since the Mind isn't tired and in wakefull concious state. Perhaps these are the best conditions for vivid, lucid dreams?

I've been having Insomnia for several months now so I know what you mean when you say ''trippy'', but after a couple of months it just ain't funny anymore If I wanna Hallucinate I'll eat Magic Mushrooms

Anyways. The better you are rested, the longer and more powerfull your REMsleep is.

I don't have too much experience with not sleeping, anymore. There used to be times where I would stay up for close to 48 hours, simply because I didn't want to go to sleep, back when I was a teenager.

I have a sort of conflicting view on this, though:

On one hand, I do agree that losing too much sleep will make you sleep much deeper, quite possibly too deep for the level of awareness that lucidity requires.

On the other hand, I have a lot of experience with REM rebound. Because of this I believe that, the longer you keep yourself from sleeping, the harder your body is going to try to make up for that loss of REM sleep, whenever you do finally get to sleep. For this reason I believe your experiment might be a catch-22. Sure, you may experience REM rebound and get really breathtakingly long and vivid dream periods, whenever you end up crashing, but you will, most likely, be so consciously out of it, so deep in your sleep, that you have almost no chance of bringing yourself up to the level of awareness required to recognize dreamsigns for dreamsigns and your attempt at lucidity will fail.

However, if you are into meditation, I would like to know what the results would be of getting into a meditative position, sitting up, letting your body begin it's shut down process (because it will be trying to sleep after being up for so long) but keeping yourself conscious because you're sitting up. I think this may lead into a level deeper than hypnogogia and will possibly allow you to lucid dream, to some degree, while sitting up, sort of like cats and their Sphinx-like rest periods. Of course, that's just a theory, but I'd love to hear the outcome of such a test.

I'll try it when I do sleep =D

in my experience for about 4 months or so i had a backwards bioclock in my so to turn it around i would stay up for 24-36 hours a couple days in a row and eventually it would work itself out, but i noticed that sometimes i would have really great and some crazy lucids when i would fall alseep, other times i would have lucids the day after i finally got back in my normal cycle. But then again i am very differnet than anyone i have ever met when it comes to sleeping but thats a different stpry

60 hours here and I had no-recall from the 12 hours I slept after.

Ewww, if I didn't sleep that long I'd totally be tripping out. I get anxiety attacks from a real significant lack of sleep.

Yuck, go to bed.

Would you people be interested in a light device that might help with your insomnia? 'cause I'm going to try to make one and I could use some help. I only said might because the scientific evidence so far is inconclusive.

As you probably know, bright light treatment helps with insomnia too. Here's a good article about a study.

http://www.sleepeducation.com/Article.aspx?id=49

The obvious problem with the setup here is that you're forced to use the light for 3-4 hours at a time (It was, I think, just ambient light). There are probably fairly strict limitations to how far you can stay from the light making it less than convenient long-term.

These guys have solved the problem by using extraocular light - lighting the back of the knee instead of the eye. That would place relatively little restrictions on movement. If it works, that is. Some studies haven't been able to replicate their results.

http://www.sciencenews.org/pages/sn_...11_98/bob1.htm

I will try to find a pad of sorts I could stuck to my knee and plant 480 nm blue LEDs (these work best) to it.

I was up 40 hours altogether, I saw a mouse waving at me on the sofa at one point. I had 2 or 3 vauge dreams I can't remember and didn't really sleep that long either. btw I don't have insomnia

None of you had insomnia, even occasional? If so, sorry for the off-topic post.

Originally Posted by visor

None of you had insomnia, even occasional? If so, sorry for the off-topic post.
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I have... when my sleep cycle got really, I mean really messed up at college. I'm hoping it doesn't happen again this year.

I had a big problem with insomnia a couple years ago. It still happens from time to time, but not nearly as bad. I just basically had to learn to relax -- now that I've quit my job, I'm hoping my stress level will drop a lot, and this problem will go away completely.

I once tried to deprive myself from sleep so much that I could hallucinate. I did succed in hallucinating, but man was it ever hell, it destroys your body and entirely drains you of your energy and also your bodys tissue doesn't get time to rebuild. Quite dangerous. I believe that the hallucinations are caused by your brain shutting down. My experiences include my room transforming into a grass field and many experiences of people being present in the room with me out of the coner of my eye. One experience even was so vivid I saw this person, he has a twisted face, black hair, a bright red longsleeve shirt and brown shorts on. Quite scary stuff.