Thread: Just A Thought

I think this has more to do with the meaning of the terms rather than the actual concepts behind them. By concious it is widely accepted that it means awareness of self, and in western society 'self' is the body. So when you LD you are not aware of your body, therefore you are not actually concious. I mean you are aware of stuff when you dream, if you weren't you wouldn't see/hear/feel/taste/smell things even though they are in your mind. So you really have to make sure that everyone is using the same terms in the same way, otherwise it could get messy.

Originally Posted by JEBOman

By concious it is widely accepted that it means awareness of self, and in western society 'self' is the body. So when you LD you are not aware of your body, therefore you are not actually concious.
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Again, not necessarily true. (I get it that you're only talking about the Western terminology, but I'm just touching on how that interpretation of "conscious" is wrong...)

In a lucid dream (granting that you take the time to actually think about it, while dreaming) you are aware that your body is laying in your bed, while your mind is racing through your dream content. Many people can feel their sleeping body, voluntarily, as they are lucid dreaming.

I began developing my lucid dreaming ability, as a kid, as a way of waking myself up from nightmares. When I was having a nightmare, and I would realize it was a nightmare, I would wake myself up by tightening and then opening my waking world eyes, purposefully - consciously. I would not be able to do this if I wasn't aware that my waking world eyes had to be closed, since I was knew I was having a nightmare.