WILDs + Thinning

**Placebo** · 05-12-2004 07:54 AM

Hi All

I've done a few WILD's (with MILDs) but I have the problem with it that I'd like to sort out. I'd appreciate any suggestions - no matter how silly.

By definition, when you WILD, your body is already rested. Thus you aren't really tired any more. In my case my body keeps wanting to wake. So when I try to MILD and go back to sleep, I find that my dreams are too 'thin'.

By thin I mean too insubstantial. I'm not asleep enough, and am still too conscious of the environment in the waking world.
What then happens is my lucid is more of a deep meditation state than a dream. Not nearly as good as some accidental lucids I've had before.

I know one is meant to spin or focus hands to increase lucidity. This only seems to work if it wasn't a WILD-induced lucid. Perhaps because spinning is meant to clear your mind and thus bring you closer to waking?
Thus works well if you are falling too deep... but not to take you deeper.

Any idea how to sort this out?

**Alric** · 05-12-2004 08:25 AM

Well for one if you do a WILD some times you start seeing stuff(or even feeling things) before you get into the dream. Its can be just like a dream but it really isn't. That could be it.

Normally WILDs are far better than any other dreams. More awake you are the more detailed things should be.

**Placebo** · 05-12-2004 09:24 AM

Sure. That makes sense if you at least can maintain the dream properly.

Unfortunately my WILD lucids are sometimes so thin that I can feel my mind struggling to maintain it at all.
I think the problem is that my mind is half-focussed on the dream - and on the waking world. I can't be vivid in that sort of situation.

If I was close to conciousness, but still fully focussed on the dream, that would probably be a super-lucid dream (as I've heard some call it)

I suppose it boils down to ...
'How can I ignore/shut out the waking world a bit better while in a lucid. It distracts me.'

**Alric** · 05-12-2004 10:10 AM

What you need to do is get into the dream. Maybe try running around all over. Don't fly though, I noticed if your just going into a dream and you fly, you don't fly but kind of float around and then you wake up really easy.

Maybe try to interact with stuff, like pick them up and move them around.

**Identity X** · 05-12-2004 10:14 AM

Yeah I have a similar problem in that when I become luid I fel like I have just woken up and feel confused, so I just do the only thing that's in my head and fly. Flying is not to be sniffed at, but there is generally a lot less to do in the air than on the ground, I just wish I had the integrity to think of some more things to do.

CT · 05-12-2004 11:36 AM

Dreaming is not in that way related to how tired your physical body is. Because thats why its best to do a WILD after 5 hrs of sleep, your body is rested and there's more time for REM sleep

**Placebo** · 05-12-2004 12:15 PM

Thanks for the replies.

This was after about 6 hours of sleep. I tried to get into the dream, looking into mirrors and out of windows, burning myself with a cigarette lighter and so on so forth.

I never tried picking up different things (other than the ligher)... will try that next time. Thanks

**Seeker** · 05-12-2004 12:32 PM

I've experienced both thin, and thick =P lucids from MILD, WILD, and spontaneous LDs.

I don't know exactly what causes the difference, but I am usually able to stay in the thin ones by spinning and issuing verbal commands.

Last thin LD I had though, I was spending most of my effort trying to stay in the dream instead of enjoying it!

**Placebo** · 05-12-2004 12:40 PM

Yep - exactly... You're concentrating so much on stabilising the dream that you can't enjoy it

I tried spinning but not the verbal commands... didn't think of that

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