Thread: Lucid Fakers! You've been Warned!

Hey, me and Casualtie were talking on msn about lucidity and stuff and we began talking about how lucidity doesn't seem to be how people make it out to be, now i've not had a long vivid lucid dream yet but i'm still skeptical about actually living the moment in the lucid dream and not just waking to a manifestation of your imagination.

I want a lucid dream in which i live every moment, not just wake in the morning to the memory of something that happened. This lead us onto the next thing, many new members join and claim to have lucid dreams within days of joining, ok, i can believe that but some members seem to have lucid dreams every night and brag about them, i am an honest person and i tell you now, if i had been lying to you all i would of told you i was a lucid master and i have lucids every night, but being honest i've only had three lucid dreams to date, i'm on a long dryspell and i can admit that.

I know for a fact that there has to be new members out there joining and then claiming to have lucid dreams in which they claim to have done the lucid task just to get the special badge above their avatar, you may call this a jealousy post but i'm happy for people who have lucid dreams but what annoys me is people who join and say they have had lucid dreams and lie about it, now i know i cannot prove it but to all you who lie about your lucid dreams, you are only lieing to yourself and you should try to be honest and not be impatients. Thanks and i hope any of you fakers have a change in heart!

Oh noes.

Originally Posted by Marvo

Oh noes.

Retarded Animal Babies?

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Retarded Animal Babies?

Yes, mostly, but metal is also important. Salt too, but rings, more alcohol, and less spirit, now salt into the city and get cup with keyboard blindmand.
This post is important on magenta plastic.

Got pepper?

I don't mean to be confrontational, but how exactly do you expect to spot a faker, just because you feel you're an experienced lucid dreamer? I've gotten to the point that I have god-like do-anything-I-can-imagine type control over my lucid dreams and all that it has shown me is that anyone can do literally anything they can imagine.

If someone is making up a story, it would be indistinguishable from a lucid dream as some of the most entertaining lucid dreams are the ones in which you dictate every aspect of it and it becomes just a story that you tell yourself and are capable of living in.

I understand that plenty of people do fake these sorts of things and some of them may not be very good at faking it, but being experienced by no means gives you some sort of extra lucid sense when it comes to judging other peoples experiences.

Personally, if I think someone is faking a lucid dream I react the same way I would if someone fakes any other skill. I know I can do it and if they have to lie to pretend that they can do something I really can, it just boosts my ego. If I think they will benefit from me calling them on the lie then I will because I think everyone should actually try to do it instead of just pretending. Its a lot more fun that way.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

I don't mean to be confrontational, but how exactly do you expect to spot a faker, just because you feel you're an experienced lucid dreamer? I've gotten to the point that I have god-like do-anything-I-can-imagine type control over my lucid dreams and all that it has shown me is that anyone can do literally anything they can imagine.

If someone is making up a story, it would be indistinguishable from a lucid dream as some of the most entertaining lucid dreams are the ones in which you dictate every aspect of it and it becomes just a story that you tell yourself and are capable of living in.

I understand that plenty of people do fake these sorts of things and some of them may not be very good at faking it, but being experienced by no means gives you some sort of extra lucid sense when it comes to judging other peoples experiences.

Wow.. I'm glad you're not meaning to be confrontational and I'm sorry if I hit a nerve or something.

As for having some sort of "extra lucid sense".. sometimes for me.. being able "to spot a faker" lies not in what they say but in how they say it.. but that, like everything else on this forum, cannot be proved (and is simply my opinion). If I disbelieve what someone is saying.. I don't confront them, or agonize over it.. I simply move on to the next post.

Bottom line, I was trying to provide some reassurance to Lucid_Seeker with my post.. I wish you could have seen that.

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Originally Posted by Marvo

Yes, mostly, but metal is also important. Salt too, but rings, more alcohol, and less spirit, now salt into the city and get cup with keyboard blindmand.
This post is important on magenta plastic.

Got pepper?

Ummm... yeah. I thought your were quoting the squirrel from the web cartoon Retarded animal babies. But you clearly had no idea what I was talking about. http://www.newgrounds.com/collection...malbabies.html
Sorry for getting off topic.

just a quick thought or question

why waste your time worrying about the liers, when you can spend the that time with the ones you know who are honest...?

just a thought/question

SOTW

Originally Posted by lucid_seeker

Yeah i think i maybe judging the newbies a bit too harshly, but reading your response raised something else in my mind, when people lie and then like you said receive lots of support from the community to help them out, its a waste of peoples time, i think dryspells are the things that can help spot a faker because they are most likely going to deny having one because they may see it as a weakness, but after reading your post i think i owe an apology to all the newbies out there because i did judge a bit harshly. Going back to dryspells i'm actually happy i'm on one at the moment because it gives me some good time to do more research into lucid dreaming as well as plan out my next lucid. Thanks for the reply Oneironaut, it made me think.

That was actually a very mature response and right on target. It's hard to not judge sometimes but not judging can really help ourselves to be open to new ideas and possibilities (I'm not too sure how relavent that is to the conversation but, it sounded good to me).

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

It definitely doesn't surprise me, that people would fake their lucid experiences - especially over the internet.

But then, on the other hand, when I read O's journal I know he's a faker. Alright, that was an outright lie. I'm just jealous of his mad skills

Originally Posted by Marvo

Yes, mostly, but metal is also important. Salt too, but rings, more alcohol, and less spirit, now salt into the city and get cup with keyboard blindmand.
This post is important on magenta plastic.

Got pepper?

Thanks for reminding me to do my RC's; I need to do them more often when I'm on DV, since it shows up so often in my dreams.

Unfortunately I appear to be awake, unless my RC's are failing me again. Ya, that's probably it, let me go jump out the window to make sure; surely I'm dreaming....

I agree with you post. But consider this. There are a lot of people whose personality it is to have to make things up to have a sense of accomplishment. In this particular case, it's not harmful to you, they own that. They know that deep down, they did not do those things. I know that I am not good at LDs right now, but I know I will be, and I won't have to be a faker. you'll be there too.

But for the people who do lie about it, that's their problem not yours. Just enjoy yourself here. Those people own their own actions. Don't let it harm you.

--Rain

It took me some time to have LDs too, then I had a lot of them practically one a night until I had my last one and now I can't get them anymore. A friend of mine says she has had natural LDs for a long time. Maybe that's the case for some people, though I've considered that some people could be lying as well. I just don't see the point, though... Don't discredit everyone who has them really quickly, though... It's different for everyone...

Nah i'm not discrediting people who get them really quickly, good for them by all means, some of peoples sucess stories though i find not believable, it seems like they have tried and failed but are embarassed by it so they have to make themselves look good by saying they have lots and lots when in reality they may of only had one or two lucids.

Originally Posted by Rainman

I agree with you post. But consider this. There are a lot of people whose personality it is to have to make things up to have a sense of accomplishment. In this particular case, it's not harmful to you, they own that. They know that deep down, they did not do those things. I know that I am not good at LDs right now, but I know I will be, and I won't have to be a faker. you'll be there too.

But for the people who do lie about it, that's their problem not yours. Just enjoy yourself here. Those people own their own actions. Don't let it harm you.

--Rain

Well said. There are bound to be people on these forums who pretend to be adept at lucid dreaming only to get some respect from others. I think that for most of us, this simply wouldn't work though. I, at least, do not take pride in being congratulated on things I did not accomplish and I assume that goes for most of us.

As for those who do: they're not going to admit it, if only because they are aware of the fact that this trait indicates that they are weak in a way. However, we are all weak in some ways and for the people in question genuine self-appreciation is probably something to work on (or something like that, I'm not psychologist). In other words: this is their problem (yes, I'm really just repeating what Rainman said, but it's not like I have better things to do <_< ).

The easiest and most sensible thing to do is to believe everyone on this. Don't worry about other people lying to you about their lucid dreams. These lies don't harm you in any way and, more importantly, it won't get you anywhere.

I can see where you're coming from, especially with the lucid task of the month thing... definitely seems easy to fib and get a badge and all. But I have to agree that lying about this doesn't bring any harm. If you're not a good lucid dreamer yet then I think you're much more likely to doubt people who claim to be experts. Feeling frustration at not being able to lucid dream regularly is probably common to a lot of people, but hey, keep at it and I think some day soon you'll get so good that people will point fingers at you wondering if you're being honest.

I've been practicing LDing for 6 years now. My first few were undoubtedly beginner's luck but, they occurred with two or three days of beginning LaBerge's Lucid Dreaming (not EWOLD, the first one). After my first three, though, is when I needed to work for my LDs. I became pretty good in that I had several a month for a long time. Then I took a break and my frequency went down for a long time.

However, shortly before I found and joined this site I got back into it and my frequency returned to what it once was. But, joining this site has definitely helped me in a lot of ways regarding my LD abilities.

I only mention all of that to tell from a personal view that it is indeed possible for LD frequency to have sudden increases. I'm sure it's happened to many members.

All that being said, I'm sure there are some here who feel the need to embellish their prowess. I don't worry about it though. It won't do any good to worry, especially since there's no way to know who to believe and who not to. It's all about trust around here. Sure, I wish it didn't happen but... I agree that cheating on the lucid tasks is foul play but, again, what can you do?

People lie sometimes, deal with it.

Uh... How does it at all affect you if someone else lies about his dreams?

That's because most people have had them since they were a child. But we were told that it was weird and not tell anyone. When i found out that these dreams were called LD's and you can force them to happen, i was just happy that i could force them to happen not just to have them. This is because I've had over 100 LD's in my life but i did not force them, It just happened. And when i try to induce an LD it is easy for me because i've already had the experience. (By the way i think i worded it wrong- srry)

Besides those people who lie here are not proving anything. I mean if they feel that they get more self esteem from this than they need to get a life. I mean this site is for learning and helping others who find that lucid dreaming is interesting/fun. Even if they did brag their not getting anywhere there just hurting themselves.

Originally Posted by Umbrella

The easiest and most sensible thing to do is to believe everyone on this. Don't worry about other people lying to you about their lucid dreams. These lies don't harm you in any way and, more importantly, it won't get you anywhere.

Wise words mate.


If there is no way to prove that someone is lying about his LD then why bother to make a thread about it?
It won't get you anywhere.

And how do you know that there are ppl who tell lies about their LD?

Originally Posted by lucid_seeker

Hey, me and Casualtie were talking on msn about lucidity and stuff and we began talking about how lucidity doesn't seem to be how people make it out to be, now i've not had a long vivid lucid dream yet but i'm still skeptical about actually living the moment in the lucid dream and not just waking to a manifestation of your imagination.

I want a lucid dream in which i live every moment, not just wake in the morning to the memory of something that happened. This lead us onto the next thing, many new members join and claim to have lucid dreams within days of joining, ok, i can believe that but some members seem to have lucid dreams every night and brag about them, i am an honest person and i tell you now, if i had been lying to you all i would of told you i was a lucid master and i have lucids every night, but being honest i've only had three lucid dreams to date, i'm on a long dryspell and i can admit that.

I know for a fact that there has to be new members out there joining and then claiming to have lucid dreams in which they claim to have done the lucid task just to get the special badge above their avatar, you may call this a jealousy post but i'm happy for people who have lucid dreams but what annoys me is people who join and say they have had lucid dreams and lie about it, now i know i cannot prove it but to all you who lie about your lucid dreams, you are only lieing to yourself and you should try to be honest and not be impatients. Thanks and i hope any of you fakers have a change in heart!

dude , i agree with you that you hate lucid fakers and that stufff, but in a good lucid dream you are living at the moment and it is damn true, dude if you are trying desperate just relax a few days and just relax but,in a good lucid dream you are living at the moment.
just saying the truth

I agree with what your saying, but does it really matter?
I mean, so what if people are faking it?
They aren't earning anything at all by claiming they have had LD's when they don't.
I think it even hurts them in their lucid experiances.

We have been warned?
About what?
People pretending that they have had lucid dreams.
If they are that insecure, that's their problem.
Who the hell really cares?
I sure as hell don't.