Lucid Fakers! You've been Warned!

[Adrenaline Junkie]

Hey, me and Casualtie were talking on msn about lucidity and stuff and we began talking about how lucidity doesn't seem to be how people make it out to be, now i've not had a long vivid lucid dream yet but i'm still skeptical about actually living the moment in the lucid dream and not just waking to a manifestation of your imagination. I want a lucid dream in which i live every moment, not just wake in the morning to the memory of something that happened. This lead us onto the next thing, many new members join and claim to have lucid dreams within days of joining, ok, i can believe that but some members seem to have lucid dreams every night and brag about them, i am an honest person and i tell you now, if i had been lying to you all i would of told you i was a lucid master and i have lucids every night, but being honest i've only had three lucid dreams to date, i'm on a long dryspell and i can admit that. I know for a fact that there has to be new members out there joining and then claiming to have lucid dreams in which they claim to have done the lucid task just to get the special badge above their avatar, you may call this a jealousy post but i'm happy for people who have lucid dreams but what annoys me is people who join and say they have had lucid dreams and lie about it, now i know i cannot prove it but to all you who lie about your lucid dreams, you are only lieing to yourself and you should try to be honest and not be impatients. Thanks and i hope any of you fakers have a change in heart!

[Marvo]

Oh noes.

[Rainman]

I agree with you post. But consider this. There are a lot of people whose personality it is to have to make things up to have a sense of accomplishment. In this particular case, it's not harmful to you, they own that. They know that deep down, they did not do those things. I know that I am not good at LDs right now, but I know I will be, and I won't have to be a faker. you'll be there too. But for the people who do lie about it, that's their problem not yours. Just enjoy yourself here. Those people own their own actions. Don't let it harm you. --Rain

[MrGrEmLiN]

It took me some time to have LDs too, then I had a lot of them practically one a night until I had my last one and now I can't get them anymore. A friend of mine says she has had natural LDs for a long time. Maybe that's the case for some people, though I've considered that some people could be lying as well. I just don't see the point, though... Don't discredit everyone who has them really quickly, though... It's different for everyone...

[Adrenaline Junkie]

Nah i'm not discrediting people who get them really quickly, good for them by all means, some of peoples sucess stories though i find not believable, it seems like they have tried and failed but are embarassed by it so they have to make themselves look good by saying they have lots and lots when in reality they may of only had one or two lucids.

[Umbrella]

I agree with you post. But consider this. There are a lot of people whose personality it is to have to make things up to have a sense of accomplishment. In this particular case, it's not harmful to you, they own that. They know that deep down, they did not do those things. I know that I am not good at LDs right now, but I know I will be, and I won't have to be a faker. you'll be there too. But for the people who do lie about it, that's their problem not yours. Just enjoy yourself here. Those people own their own actions. Don't let it harm you. --Rain Well said. There are bound to be people on these forums who pretend to be adept at lucid dreaming only to get some respect from others. I think that for most of us, this simply wouldn't work though. I, at least, do not take pride in being congratulated on things I did not accomplish and I assume that goes for most of us. As for those who do: they're not going to admit it, if only because they are aware of the fact that this trait indicates that they are weak in a way. However, we are all weak in some ways and for the people in question genuine self-appreciation is probably something to work on (or something like that, I'm not psychologist). In other words: this is their problem (yes, I'm really just repeating what Rainman said, but it's not like I have better things to do <_< ). The easiest and most sensible thing to do is to believe everyone on this. Don't worry about other people lying to you about their lucid dreams. These lies don't harm you in any way and, more importantly, it won't get you anywhere.

[Mes Tarrant]

I can see where you're coming from, especially with the lucid task of the month thing... definitely seems easy to fib and get a badge and all. But I have to agree that lying about this doesn't bring any harm. If you're not a good lucid dreamer yet then I think you're much more likely to doubt people who claim to be experts. Feeling frustration at not being able to lucid dream regularly is probably common to a lot of people, but hey, keep at it and I think some day soon you'll get so good that people will point fingers at you wondering if you're being honest.

[Oneironaught]

I've been practicing LDing for 6 years now. My first few were undoubtedly beginner's luck but, they occurred with two or three days of beginning LaBerge's Lucid Dreaming (not EWOLD, the first one). After my first three, though, is when I needed to work for my LDs. I became pretty good in that I had several a month for a long time. Then I took a break and my frequency went down for a long time. However, shortly before I found and joined this site I got back into it and my frequency returned to what it once was. But, joining this site has definitely helped me in a lot of ways regarding my LD abilities. I only mention all of that to tell from a personal view that it is indeed possible for LD frequency to have sudden increases. I'm sure it's happened to many members. All that being said, I'm sure there are some here who feel the need to embellish their prowess. I don't worry about it though. It won't do any good to worry, especially since there's no way to know who to believe and who not to. It's all about trust around here. Sure, I wish it didn't happen but... I agree that cheating on the lucid tasks is foul play but, again, what can you do?

[Psylocibin]

People lie sometimes, deal with it.

[Beksinski]

Uh... How does it at all affect you if someone else lies about his dreams?

[Adrenaline Junkie]

Ok, i'm not working towards lucid task of the month but say i did, and i was really really trying to go for it but i couldn't have a lucid dream and then you see people who are lieing about doing it in order to get the lucid task of the month thingy above their avatar, stuff like that annoys me, i do agree that this whole thing is about trust and i suppose there will always be people who lie, the worst part is when people talk about a lucid dream asthough it actally happened, making up false details when they have already lied about having one, i know i can't accuse anyone, thats pretty much impossible but do you see what i'm getting at?

[Moonbeam]

I'd more feel sorry for people who lie to strangers on the internet to feel important; it that is the basis of their self-esteem, that's pretty sad. It's all for fun and for your own entertainment/benefit/self-discovery or whatever you want to use lucid dreaming for. I doubt people who are lying (if there are any) will be entertained for long by making up things here; they will move on as this loses its value as their source of false pride. I try the lucid task every month, and I don't like it when I don't make it (which is more often than not, this is the first month that I did both--and those that are paying attention know that I actually missed the pool of water oh well). But there is no point in claiming that you did it when you didn't, it's like cheating at solitaire. I like that fact that there are people here who are much better than me at lucid dreaming, because it gives me hope that I can improve. That may be a false hope, but since success at this is mostly about what you believe that you can do, rather than a trick or a secret or something, having hope and believing it will happen it is what really matters. So don't waste time getting annoyed by anybody that you think is exagerrating; it's really not worth it. Focus on things that will help you improve, which may include reading about other the success of people whom you believe to be honestly describing their dreams.

[Oneironaught]

I try the lucid task every month, and I don't like it when I don't make it (which is more often than not, this is the first month that I did both--and those that are paying attention know that I actually missed the pool of water oh well). But at least you're good at them. I haven't gotten one yet. Not that I'm trying all that hard but still. The lucid tasks never come to my mind when I need them to. Only my own "tasks" do and I've been failing at that goal as well, only managing half of my task at a time. Oh well... But there is no point in claiming that you did it when you didn't, it's like cheating at solitaire. "...like cheating at Solitaire." I like that. That's so true.

[Caradon]

I just want to say, that I have been wanting to get in on the Lucid Tasks since I joined. But I have been trying to beat a dry spell. I am not a Liar! If I was, I would have already done it. My dry spell is how I found dream views. Because I was looking for something new to read, to help motivate me. Now last night I beat my dry spell! Im quite happy about that. that goal was actualy a lot more important than any Lucid Task. I didn't get the chance to try for the task, because I became Lucid in a pretty desperate situation. And I needed to get control of my out of control dream first. but I didn't end up being in the dream long enough. I'm pretty sure I became Lucid towards the end of the REM period. I had only been sleeping for about two and a half hours. I plan to post the dream in a little while, when I get the chance. I also know that it is possible to LD almost every night, Because I have been to that point before. I am trying to get back to it, and stay there if I can. I want to make a promise to every one here, that I would never lie about anything I may post. It has entered my mind that some people could lie about it, but I decide to give people the benefit of the doubt. after all, Lucid dreaming is a personal acomplishment. if someone wants to lie they are only cheating there own self. As moonbeam said.

[durza2016]

That's because most people have had them since they were a child. But we were told that it was weird and not tell anyone. When i found out that these dreams were called LD's and you can force them to happen, i was just happy that i could force them to happen not just to have them. This is because I've had over 100 LD's in my life but i did not force them, It just happened. And when i try to induce an LD it is easy for me because i've already had the experience. (By the way i think i worded it wrong- srry) Besides those people who lie here are not proving anything. I mean if they feel that they get more self esteem from this than they need to get a life. I mean this site is for learning and helping others who find that lucid dreaming is interesting/fun. Even if they did brag their not getting anywhere there just hurting themselves.

[Dredg]

My goals with dreaming are centered solely on self-improvement. Too many people live for the moment and not for tomorrow. I believe that lucid dreaming is possible for everyone, and I do not doubt that people have a lucid dream within a week of becoming aware that it is possible. But without keeping a dream journal / doing reality checks / etc… their lucidity experience will be a one-hit-wonder. Lucidity AT FIRST may not seem to be all that it is cracked out to be: The only part of my first lucid dream that felt like I was “in the moment” was when I did my hand reality check. After that, I was aware that I was dreaming, but the environment was constantly changing and controlling anything was out of the question. Yet I was still extremely excited… for I knew what it felt like to be “lucid”. I could see why some would be discouraged by their first lucid dream; mine, for instance, was not too special. To be honest, my second lucid dream was not that special… and my third lucid dream was not that special (I would have NEVER admitted that at the time, though). But that fourth lucid dream was everything and more. For instance, I spent at least a minute with a magnet in my hand… looking at the magnet… looking away… looking back to see how the magnet changed. The lucid tasks are much harder than they sound (for me at least); however, they are AWESOME practice. Lying about completing a task is like cutting corners because the real reward is not the colored name. The bottom line, do not be discouraged for there is no rush and no need to compare yourself with anyone but yourself.

[SEBSTER]

I totally feel this homie, i have a friend that right when i told him about LDs he said he has them every night and i believed him first but when i started talking about DCs and RCs and stuff he would remain quiet and ask me to remind him what they are, so yeah i hate it when people hate but hey at least they have great self motivation

[carcharoth]

The easiest and most sensible thing to do is to believe everyone on this. Don't worry about other people lying to you about their lucid dreams. These lies don't harm you in any way and, more importantly, it won't get you anywhere. Wise words mate. If there is no way to prove that someone is lying about his LD then why bother to make a thread about it? It won't get you anywhere. And how do you know that there are ppl who tell lies about their LD?

[Mes Tarrant]

I totally feel this homie, i have a friend that right when i told him about LDs he said he has them every night and i believed him first but when i started talking about DCs and RCs and stuff he would remain quiet and ask me to remind him what they are, so yeah i hate it when people hate but hey at least they have great self motivation I think that's a good reason to argue why it's not probable that anyone on here is lying... If someone goes around bragging about his/her LDs, that person will inevitably get PMed and asked all these questions... if that person can't back up his/her experiences, then lies will stop very soon.

[viking-45]

Hey, me and Casualtie were talking on msn about lucidity and stuff and we began talking about how lucidity doesn't seem to be how people make it out to be, now i've not had a long vivid lucid dream yet but i'm still skeptical about actually living the moment in the lucid dream and not just waking to a manifestation of your imagination. I want a lucid dream in which i live every moment, not just wake in the morning to the memory of something that happened. This lead us onto the next thing, many new members join and claim to have lucid dreams within days of joining, ok, i can believe that but some members seem to have lucid dreams every night and brag about them, i am an honest person and i tell you now, if i had been lying to you all i would of told you i was a lucid master and i have lucids every night, but being honest i've only had three lucid dreams to date, i'm on a long dryspell and i can admit that. I know for a fact that there has to be new members out there joining and then claiming to have lucid dreams in which they claim to have done the lucid task just to get the special badge above their avatar, you may call this a jealousy post but i'm happy for people who have lucid dreams but what annoys me is people who join and say they have had lucid dreams and lie about it, now i know i cannot prove it but to all you who lie about your lucid dreams, you are only lieing to yourself and you should try to be honest and not be impatients. Thanks and i hope any of you fakers have a change in heart! dude , i agree with you that you hate lucid fakers and that stufff, but in a good lucid dream you are living at the moment and it is damn true, dude if you are trying desperate just relax a few days and just relax but,in a good lucid dream you are living at the moment. just saying the truth

[Swikity]

I agree with what your saying, but does it really matter? I mean, so what if people are faking it? They aren't earning anything at all by claiming they have had LD's when they don't. I think it even hurts them in their lucid experiances. We have been warned? About what? People pretending that they have had lucid dreams. If they are that insecure, that's their problem. Who the hell really cares? I sure as hell don't.

[Moonbeam]

The lucid tasks never come to my mind when I need them to. Only my own "tasks" do and I've been failing at that goal as well, only managing half of my task at a time. Oh well... I had that problem for a long time (still do frequently.) First I couldn't even remember there were lucid tasks; then I would remember that they existed but I couldn't remember what they were. Sometimes I remember them wrong or remember a previous month's task. Maybe I shouldn't always have a task to do, I don't know. But I feel like it is helping to me to make progress with control (especially the latest walking-tree task; I'm still psyched about that.) It always seems like I have to be actively doing something in a dream; it's like, Hurry up! Do the task as fast as you can! When it's over I feel like I whizzed around like crazy. I'm rarely just sitting there and thinking. I should try that sometime.

[Caradon]

I had that problem for a long time (still do frequently.) First I couldn't even remember there were lucid tasks; then I would remember that they existed but I couldn't remember what they were. Sometimes I remember them wrong or remember a previous month's task. Maybe I shouldn't always have a task to do, I don't know. But I feel like it is helping to me to make progress with control (especially the latest walking-tree task; I'm still psyched about that.) It always seems like I have to be actively doing something in a dream; it's like, Hurry up! Do the task as fast as you can! When it's over I feel like I whizzed around like crazy. I'm rarely just sitting there and thinking. I should try that sometime. I know what you mean, most of the time I'm rushing around too. I think a lot of it is because, you know you could wake up any minute and you don't want to waste any time. though sometimes I just wander around and stare at everything in fascination. I think it is good to have some kind of task planned for your next ld. It's kind of a strange feeling, when you suddenly find yourself Lucid, and you have no idea what you want to do next. It's happened to me a couple of times.

[Oneironaught]

I had that problem for a long time (still do frequently.) First I couldn't even remember there were lucid tasks; then I would remember that they existed but I couldn't remember what they were. Sometimes I remember them wrong or remember a previous month's task. Maybe I shouldn't always have a task to do, I don't know. But I feel like it is helping to me to make progress with control (especially the latest walking-tree task; I'm still psyched about that.) It always seems like I have to be actively doing something in a dream; it's like, Hurry up! Do the task as fast as you can! When it's over I feel like I whizzed around like crazy. I'm rarely just sitting there and thinking. I should try that sometime. I quit trying my own task for awhile (I actually made that decision in an LD, which I've logged in my journal) but, not for good. My last few lucid nights were not task-driven at all. But, I have been thinking about the tree one so hopefully I'll remember it when I next become lucid.

[eppy]

well the people who fake it are just missing out on the fun of actually having one.