Thread: Lucid Fakers! You've been Warned!

Originally Posted by loocidreamer

People who fake it, can mislead new members that are just starting to try to get LDs. The fakers can give false information etc.

But if the faker ever does get a LD, they won't be able to share their achievement with the forum lol

This is another thing aswell that annoys me also.

I don't know why i'm letting it bother me so much but i've always liked to be truthful to both myself and others, yeah everyone lies every once in a while but its the continuation of a lie that annoys me even more, if peopl can't lucid dream and feel asthough they should lie about having one i would much rather they come on and make a thread asking for help and guidance, however people lieing to me has been quite common in my past and i find it difficult to trust people sometimes, i'm ranting because i hoped that this thread could maybe make those who have lied think about themselves and maybe stop lieing and actually try. I'm not accusing anyone in particular on here because i don't have evidence and i find i can trust alot of you already, but as i said it is probably the effect lieing has had on me in the past that has made me have a rant. I just wish that people could deal with their problems in other ways than lieing to other people, sorry

Originally Posted by Marvo

Oh noes.

Retarded Animal Babies?

Don't feel sorry if this is how you really feel about something. You have the right to be angry and you've already explained who you're hoping to affect with this thread. It's true, lying is bad. It's also true that sometimes people lie to make themselves feel better. And that there are those who do it all the time. I've met liars who you have to really focus on whether it's the truth or a lie spurting out of their mouths but one thing about liars, they lie because they're truly insecure about themselves. They could want to lie to fit in with everyone else, they're too prideful, and/or because they're afraid that people won't accept the real them in whatever way.

But they won't change if they don't want to and they're really just missing out on the joys of finding yourself lucid, and better yet, being able to share it with everyone else. It's natural to let things like this get to people every now and then so don't feel bad, 'kay?

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

I'd more feel sorry for people who lie to strangers on the internet to feel important; it that is the basis of their self-esteem, that's pretty sad. It's all for fun and for your own entertainment/benefit/self-discovery or whatever you want to use lucid dreaming for. I doubt people who are lying (if there are any) will be entertained for long by making up things here; they will move on as this loses its value as their source of false pride.

I try the lucid task every month, and I don't like it when I don't make it (which is more often than not, this is the first month that I did both--and those that are paying attention know that I actually missed the pool of water oh well). But there is no point in claiming that you did it when you didn't, it's like cheating at solitaire.

I like that fact that there are people here who are much better than me at lucid dreaming, because it gives me hope that I can improve. That may be a false hope, but since success at this is mostly about what you believe that you can do, rather than a trick or a secret or something, having hope and believing it will happen it is what really matters.

So don't waste time getting annoyed by anybody that you think is exagerrating; it's really not worth it. Focus on things that will help you improve, which may include reading about other the success of people whom you believe to be honestly describing their dreams.

Originally Posted by Caradon

I know what you mean, most of the time I'm rushing around too. I think a lot of it is because, you know you could wake up any minute and you don't want to waste any time. though sometimes I just wander around and stare at everything in fascination.

I think it is good to have some kind of task planned for your next ld. It's kind of a strange feeling, when you suddenly find yourself Lucid, and you have no idea what you want to do next. It's happened to me a couple of times.

I totally agree with you both. I've been lucid dreaming for 9 years and I've had to WORK for almost every single lucid dream. I am by NO MEANS a natural. I can count on one hand the times I've DILDed. 99.9% of my lucid dreams are WBTB and WILDs and therefore only attempted on the weekends. And sadly, after 9 years, I still only average 4 lucids a month (and that's on a GOOD month)!

I like the monthly tasks cuz after awhile I too just didn't know what to do once I found myself lucid (been there.. screwed that). LOL!!
The tasks not only gave me something to DO while lucid.. they gave me another reason to TRY to get lucid. It feels good to accomplish something, to share that accomplishment and to get recognition (i.e., badge) and, like you Moonbeam, I HATE when I fail to accomplish at least one of the tasks.. and I am really struggling this month with lucidity (but hey.. the month ain't over!).

My only concern is that people who lie/exaggerate about what they've done may indeed discourage those who are struggling.. may make them question themselves (what's wrong with ME? .. why is this so hard for ME)?! I just want to let those who are struggling know that there is NOTHING wrong with you.. it just takes some of us more work/effort than others so please don't get discouraged.

And lucid_seeker, if it's any consolation.. true lucid dreamers can usually spot a fake and they (like their miraculous claims) are simply disregarded.

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Originally Posted by The Cusp

Retarded Animal Babies?

Yes, mostly, but metal is also important. Salt too, but rings, more alcohol, and less spirit, now salt into the city and get cup with keyboard blindmand.
This post is important on magenta plastic.

Got pepper?

I don't mean to be confrontational, but how exactly do you expect to spot a faker, just because you feel you're an experienced lucid dreamer? I've gotten to the point that I have god-like do-anything-I-can-imagine type control over my lucid dreams and all that it has shown me is that anyone can do literally anything they can imagine.

If someone is making up a story, it would be indistinguishable from a lucid dream as some of the most entertaining lucid dreams are the ones in which you dictate every aspect of it and it becomes just a story that you tell yourself and are capable of living in.

I understand that plenty of people do fake these sorts of things and some of them may not be very good at faking it, but being experienced by no means gives you some sort of extra lucid sense when it comes to judging other peoples experiences.

Personally, if I think someone is faking a lucid dream I react the same way I would if someone fakes any other skill. I know I can do it and if they have to lie to pretend that they can do something I really can, it just boosts my ego. If I think they will benefit from me calling them on the lie then I will because I think everyone should actually try to do it instead of just pretending. Its a lot more fun that way.

ive had 106 LD's in under 2 years..and ive even found my DREAMGUIDE..took me about 5 months to find her after i decided to look...am i lieing? no...i see no reason to lie...and ive had LD's that were absoutly life like..i see no reason to lie, and even so, people who lie about Lucid Dreaming and their LD acomplishments..whos to say they are lieing, even then...lies about LDing and life like LD's or whatever lies they are saying about their LD's can be used for something good...Motivation to actually do it yourself, so you know in the end that what happened, is true..

thanks for your time

spiritofthewolf

What's the point in lying to people, claiming that you can do things. It's kind of sad really. Well all we can do is pity the people.

It definitely doesn't surprise me, that people would fake their lucid experiences - especially over the internet. So many people spend their time, online, hiding behind fake personas (and countless miles of networking) and making false claims. You can find them on forums of every subject. I don't see the subject of lucid dreaming being any different.
As sad as I already think it is, I think it's even worse in a place like this, since everyone here is so supportive and will do anything they can (which is part of what has made this place so successfull) to help you develop your lucidity. It's a shame that people are willing to cheapen their journey toward proficient LDing by lying about their experiences to others.

I wouldn't judge newbies too harshly though, lucid seeker. I've had people that I've introduced to lucid dreaming have impressive experiences, after only having short introductions to the concept (unless, of course, people I consider friends are lying to me about those, which I'm willing to doubt.) Some of the things you see them do may seem amazing, for being so new to the site (or to lucid dreaming, in general) but I find it hard to let that discredit them.
I think dryspells are evidence of my point. I can go through loooong dryspells, to where nothing I do induces lucidity. But, when it kicks back in, sometimes, they just come back-to-back. I (for the most part) stopped actively lucid dreaming, before highschool, and went for years, only having a few, sporadic, lucids, here and there. Granted, it's not exactly like someone that's 'just starting out' but, when I found this site and got back into lucid dreaming, it didn't take long for me to get the hang of things.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

It definitely doesn't surprise me, that people would fake their lucid experiences - especially over the internet. So many people spend their time, online, hiding behind fake personas (and countless miles of networking) and making false claims. You can find them on forums of every subject. I don't see the subject of lucid dreaming being any different.
As sad as I already think it is, I think it's even worse in a place like this, since everyone here is so supportive and will do anything they can (which is part of what has made this place so successfull) to help you develop your lucidity. It's a shame that people are willing to cheapen their journey toward proficient LDing by lying about their experiences to others.

I wouldn't judge newbies too harshly though, lucid seeker. I've had people that I've introduced to lucid dreaming have impressive experiences, after only having short introductions to the concept (unless, of course, people I consider friends are lying to me about those, which I'm willing to doubt.) Some of the things you see them do may seem amazing, for being so new to the site (or to lucid dreaming, in general) but I find it hard to let that discredit them.
I think dryspells are evidence of my point. I can go through loooong dryspells, to where nothing I do induces lucidity. But, when it kicks back in, sometimes, they just come back-to-back. I (for the most part) stopped actively lucid dreaming, before highschool, and went for years, only having a few, sporadic, lucids, here and there. Granted, it's not exactly like someone that's 'just starting out' but, when I found this site and got back into lucid dreaming, it didn't take long for me to get the hang of things.

Yeah i think i maybe judging the newbies a bit too harshly, but reading your response raised something else in my mind, when people lie and then like you said receive lots of support from the community to help them out, its a waste of peoples time, i think dryspells are the things that can help spot a faker because they are most likely going to deny having one because they may see it as a weakness, but after reading your post i think i owe an apology to all the newbies out there because i did judge a bit harshly. Going back to dryspells i'm actually happy i'm on one at the moment because it gives me some good time to do more research into lucid dreaming as well as plan out my next lucid. Thanks for the reply Oneironaut, it made me think.

Originally Posted by Marvo

Yes, mostly, but metal is also important. Salt too, but rings, more alcohol, and less spirit, now salt into the city and get cup with keyboard blindmand.
This post is important on magenta plastic.

Got pepper?

Ummm... yeah. I thought your were quoting the squirrel from the web cartoon Retarded animal babies. But you clearly had no idea what I was talking about. http://www.newgrounds.com/collection...malbabies.html
Sorry for getting off topic.

With liars, you can't beat them... at least not directly. Best just to ignore their claims and get on with your own things. Its the attention they crave, and by not giving it to them, then you succeed in at least giving them less of an incentive to lie.

I've had a couple of successes in joining this site, one for a moment within a dream, and one WILD attempt a few days ago. I haven't been able to repeat the success with the WILD technique I used, but of course, that just means I probably had beginner's luck. All I have to do is get it right again, and then I should be on my way to LD'ing proficiently. I've had a LD in the past, induced by a nightmare... but its only until recently that it was called a lucid dream and much more recently that you could learn to induce them (when I stumbled upon this site). For me, it was one hell of a find, since knowing I have experienced these dreams before, I could gain the ability to control my dreams. I haven't even attempted the lucid tasks yet, nor do I think I can do them for a while yet. I prefer to get on with just learning on how to LD and get myself proficient in their induction.

just a quick thought or question

why waste your time worrying about the liers, when you can spend the that time with the ones you know who are honest...?

just a thought/question

SOTW

Originally Posted by lucid_seeker

Yeah i think i maybe judging the newbies a bit too harshly, but reading your response raised something else in my mind, when people lie and then like you said receive lots of support from the community to help them out, its a waste of peoples time, i think dryspells are the things that can help spot a faker because they are most likely going to deny having one because they may see it as a weakness, but after reading your post i think i owe an apology to all the newbies out there because i did judge a bit harshly. Going back to dryspells i'm actually happy i'm on one at the moment because it gives me some good time to do more research into lucid dreaming as well as plan out my next lucid. Thanks for the reply Oneironaut, it made me think.

That was actually a very mature response and right on target. It's hard to not judge sometimes but not judging can really help ourselves to be open to new ideas and possibilities (I'm not too sure how relavent that is to the conversation but, it sounded good to me).

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

It definitely doesn't surprise me, that people would fake their lucid experiences - especially over the internet.

But then, on the other hand, when I read O's journal I know he's a faker. Alright, that was an outright lie. I'm just jealous of his mad skills

Originally Posted by Marvo

Yes, mostly, but metal is also important. Salt too, but rings, more alcohol, and less spirit, now salt into the city and get cup with keyboard blindmand.
This post is important on magenta plastic.

Got pepper?

Thanks for reminding me to do my RC's; I need to do them more often when I'm on DV, since it shows up so often in my dreams.

Unfortunately I appear to be awake, unless my RC's are failing me again. Ya, that's probably it, let me go jump out the window to make sure; surely I'm dreaming....

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

I don't mean to be confrontational, but how exactly do you expect to spot a faker, just because you feel you're an experienced lucid dreamer? I've gotten to the point that I have god-like do-anything-I-can-imagine type control over my lucid dreams and all that it has shown me is that anyone can do literally anything they can imagine.

If someone is making up a story, it would be indistinguishable from a lucid dream as some of the most entertaining lucid dreams are the ones in which you dictate every aspect of it and it becomes just a story that you tell yourself and are capable of living in.

I understand that plenty of people do fake these sorts of things and some of them may not be very good at faking it, but being experienced by no means gives you some sort of extra lucid sense when it comes to judging other peoples experiences.

Wow.. I'm glad you're not meaning to be confrontational and I'm sorry if I hit a nerve or something.

As for having some sort of "extra lucid sense".. sometimes for me.. being able "to spot a faker" lies not in what they say but in how they say it.. but that, like everything else on this forum, cannot be proved (and is simply my opinion). If I disbelieve what someone is saying.. I don't confront them, or agonize over it.. I simply move on to the next post.

Bottom line, I was trying to provide some reassurance to Lucid_Seeker with my post.. I wish you could have seen that.

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I've been trying to have LDs for about a year now and have only had 4 LDs so far, and 3 of them were in a one week period. I think I'll have one tonight.

Originally Posted by SEBSTER

I totally feel this homie, i have a friend that right when i told him about LDs he said he has them every night and i believed him first but when i started talking about DCs and RCs and stuff he would remain quiet and ask me to remind him what they are, so yeah i hate it when people hate but hey at least they have great self motivation

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

I think that's a good reason to argue why it's not probable that anyone on here is lying... If someone goes around bragging about his/her LDs, that person will inevitably get PMed and asked all these questions... if that person can't back up his/her experiences, then lies will stop very soon.

I don't agree with this. I have always naturally LD'd and never needed to do RC's etc and never knew what WILDs or DILDs or RCs etc were. Because for me, I never needed to use the Internet for this. I only found this forum because after becoming aware of what it was I was doing was called a lucid dream I decided to read up more; this did actually have a detrimental affect on my LDs and had a dry spell of about 6 months. Finding this site helped me gain control again and begin to LD and even now I'm learning more and more about LDs, and still don't know all the terminology. So to question people on their knowledge of LDs rather than the experience is a little unfair in my opinion.

Posts like this are surely going to discourage newer members from posting experiences through worry that others might not believe them; or they might question their ability, thus turning them off the idea of trying to LD again?

Anyway, as a newer member they are just some of my thoughts

I have a difficult time believing in people who are very good at lding myself, but all I can do is try it their way, and see if it works, though if I were to gain major ldng skills people might look at me and not beleive me, But I'd hope they would try out what I did to get there, and I would make that as clear as possible, before bragging about my experiences, because I know that would be what I would want to see.

And there exists people who are just more conscous in sleep then the rest of us, and that will be forever hard to prove with any method.

Originally Posted by lucid_seeker

Thanks for the reply Oneironaut, it made me think.

Anytime.
Glad I could offer another perspective.

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

But then, on the other hand, when I read O's journal I know he's a faker. Alright, that was an outright lie. I'm just jealous of his mad skills

Oh no! He's on to me!






...Haha. Thanks, man.

Originally Posted by Clairity

Wow.. I'm glad you're not meaning to be confrontational and I'm sorry if I hit a nerve or something.

As for having some sort of "extra lucid sense".. sometimes for me.. being able "to spot a faker" lies not in what they say but in how they say it.. but that, like everything else on this forum, cannot be proved (and is simply my opinion). If I disbelieve what someone is saying.. I don't confront them, or agonize over it.. I simply move on to the next post.

Bottom line, I was trying to provide some reassurance to Lucid_Seeker with my post.. I wish you could have seen that.

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I know I come off more intensely than I intend to. My only point with the post is that people will come to this forum because they have an interest that a very relatively small number of other people even know anything about. If someone comes here and then is accused of faking and shunned then they may lose interest in the subject (whether they were faking or not) because they'll develop a negative opinion of those other people they hoped to form a bond with.

So whether I think someone is faking it or not, I will tend to be skeptical but not completely disbelieving only because I really like to have lucid dreams and I think everyone should feel the same way.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

I know I come off more intensely than I intend to. My only point with the post is that people will come to this forum because they have an interest that a very relatively small number of other people even know anything about. If someone comes here and then is accused of faking and shunned then they may lose interest in the subject (whether they were faking or not) because they'll develop a negative opinion of those other people they hoped to form a bond with.

So whether I think someone is faking it or not, I will tend to be skeptical but not completely disbelieving only because I really like to have lucid dreams and I think everyone should feel the same way.

Xaqaria, I agree with you with respect to accusing someone of faking and then shunning them which is why I stated that I don't confront anyone (personally I just don't see the point nor would I gain any pleasure in trying to belittle or cast doubt on someone else's lucidity claims).

We also agree on something else.. I too really like to have lucid dreams and think everyone should feel the same way!

(C'mon.. gimme a hug! )

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