Thread: would it be a sin?

from my point of view, god hates the sin, not the sinner.

you know what? there should just be like RULES about dreaming in the Bible or any sacred text. If god truly knows and rules everything howcome theres nothing about LDs in the bible?

Originally Posted by SEBSTER

you know what? there should just be like RULES about dreaming in the Bible or any sacred text. If god truly knows and rules everything howcome theres nothing about LDs in the bible?

Because God did not write the bible or any sacred texts, only His ideas are in it. If God mentioned Lucid dreaming to the writers of the bible and such, they would not have a clue as to what He meant. Also, if God were to be as detailed as to mention lucid dreaming, then He would mention loads of other things that did not exist during the writing of the bible and such, and the bible would have to be carried with a fork-lift.

about that whole einstein conversation, a_pirates_life_for_me, dont feel bad, i thought einstein was religious too!

Originally Posted by luv2dream

about that whole einstein conversation, a_pirates_life_for_me, dont feel bad, i thought einstein was religious too!

hey me too! I wonder if it's a common misconception or if we're just a weird bunch of people

Originally Posted by lagunagirl

hey me too! I wonder if it's a common misconception or if we're just a weird bunch of people

It's probably a little of both

I have a arrived to the true message of Christianity if not any religion... That is that it does not matter what your religion, race, creed, color, sexual preference you are. You are all equal in the face of God. Faith, The Things You Do and How Good You Control Yourself is what is important.

"The Father does not Judge his son on who he is because, the father is part of the son. However, there two individuals and the father Judges you on what you do. If you mess up and are truly sorry for what wrong you have done than the father can forgive you. It does not matter what you have what matters is what you do with what you have. We are only free when we are free from our possesions and selfishness... "

Man Im coming out with wisdom left and right. Thats the truth and it something that we all need to understand about religion. Unfortunately bad men go mad with power and tell us that you need to stay away from certain people. God sent is Word to Earth to say say its love and love needs to be enjoyed with everyone not certain people...

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

It's probably a little of both

hehe thanks! anyway, i've been wondering, pretty off subject, but how do you pronounce your username? is it like one-iron-naught or is it different?

Originally Posted by luv2dream

hehe thanks! anyway, i've been wondering, pretty off subject, but how do you pronounce your username? is it like one-iron-naught or is it different?

Oh-nigh-row-naught. ("nigh" rhymes with "sigh" and "thigh")

But, you could also go with "Oh-nigh-ruh-naught", if you chose to.

Originally Posted by towarmforacoat

Also, if God were to be as detailed as to mention lucid dreaming, then He would mention loads of other things that did not exist during the writing of the bible and such, and the bible would have to be carried with a fork-lift.

Good insight. I agree with this, and even though God is outside of human consideration, if anyone knows what I mean, He still has to consider how many people would think all of this is just rubbish. (lucid dreaming) Especially in the Bible!

Originally Posted by lindsey609

Really, God doesn't hate anyone, but just has a righteous anger towards that person who seeks out sin. People who practice sin normally don't do it on purpose. For example: porn. It's not my weakness, but some of my friends, and they don't want to practice that sin, yet they still do because they're only human. My point is: people who seek sin out, God doesn't hate; he's probably just disappointed or angry at that person..

Yes, God does hate certain individuals, people who are wicked in his eyes.

Psalms 11:5: The Lord examines the righteous,
but the wicked and those who love violence
his soul hates.

Romans 9:13: Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

It is true that what God is really hating is the sinful act itself but a person practicing that forces God to be aganst the person too.

Proverbs 6:16-19:
16 There are six things the Lord hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.

Proverbs 8:13: To fear the Lord is to hate what is bad

So you can try to convince yourself all you want that you can't help it that you watch porn. But really, if you were to hate what is bad, would you even allow it to be in your home? Would you even allow yourself to dwell on impure thoughts even though you have the free will to dismiss them? Even though you can pray to God for help? Yes I know people sin everyday, because that is mankind's condition, but you should not use that as excuse to go on consciously persueing certain forms of entertainment that glorify bloodshed and immorality. God knows the hearts, he knows what you can and can't control.

Originally Posted by lindsey609

Even if you murder, you can still be forgiven for that sin. If it's suicide, you can probably still be forgiven for that and go to heaven for that. I'm pretty sure that's right; I should check it out.

Yes you can be forgiven, such as the apostle Paul was forgiven for persecuting and even killing the true christians. But it was because he was ignorant at that time.

wow its so crazy to see how many people are willing to go on about religion forever

Originally Posted by SEBSTER

you know what? there should just be like RULES about dreaming in the Bible or any sacred text. If god truly knows and rules everything howcome theres nothing about LDs in the bible?

The Bible isn't a rulebook, it's a guide to life and God's way of communicating with us. The Bible contains rules or sins to show us that we are sinful. God never said to Adam and Eve "Do not kill each other", I don't think. All he said was "Don't eat from that one tree." After they did that, and sin entered the world, that was when he had to make laws.

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

Yes, God does hate certain individuals, people who are wicked in his eyes.

In God's eyes, everyone is sinful or "wicked". I'm sure God doesn't hate everyone.

Originally Posted by Jeremysr

In God's eyes, everyone is sinful or "wicked". I'm sure God doesn't hate everyone.

Again, from the scriptures I just mentioned, God says he hates the wicked. Being sinful is not the same as being wicked. God will protect those who turn to him from the real wicked ones, that is those who ignore God and continue to commit gross sins.

Psalms 37:40: And Jehovah God will help them and provide them with escape.
He will provide them with escape from wicked people and save them,
Because they have taken refuge in him.

Daniel 12:10: Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will certainly act wickedly, and no wicked ones at all will understand; but the ones having insight will understand.

-So those who observe Gods commandments are certainly NOT wicked.

If you are going to say anything concerning the bible you should really quote from the scriptures instead.

You see this is why I dont like bring old testament into this because, with Christ he brought in a new testament. A New Contract between Human and Divinity. Jesus and b/c of Jesus God and Holy Spirit no long care about who you are they care about what you do. For example:

My name is [fill in]. I am [age] years old [Gender]. I am part of the [income level]. I believe in [beliefs/philosophy/religion]. I am a [sexual orientation] I am [Ethnicity].

Thats the story of so what^

It does not matter who you are. What matters is what you believe... Now it was mention somewhere earlier that God hates certain people those people mention were not people but the sins. Jesus says "Hate the Sin not the Sinner."

Some say you have to deny yourself(Ego) other say its a lesson of self-control

I personally am a satanist by definition. Which means I dont believe in heaven or hell or god or satan. I am my own god. My thoughts on you origional question would be if it goes against your personal morals dont do it. In other words if you feel bad about it don't do it. The only diference between me and you in this situation is that I come up with my morals, you ( I am assuming) get most of yours from the bible. If you are fine with someone or something telling you your morals and values, listen to the bible then.

Fantastic thread!!! I've been thinking about this for some time. As someone has stated, I think religions (and the bible) have been created for power and control because they've been created by man who where seeking their own interests. I also don't believe in god, but that's a totally different matter... I fully respect people who believe in him and "follow him", but I don't agree with those who follow "standardized" religions blindly and use quotations from the bible to prove those same quotations (THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN BY MAN!, so this is a CIRCULUS IN DEMONSTRANDO (circular thought)).
I think the video game comparison was perfect to resolve the issue. Although I love violent video games (GTA YEY!) I despite all violence in real life... So in my dreams I kill, beat up, rape... whatever... without felling guilty. Ok, in most of my lucid dreams I just summon people I haven't seen in a long time or miss...

Originally Posted by Jimbo9889

b/c of Jesus God and Holy Spirit no long care about who you are they care about what you do.

not true, God loves everyone and cares about everyone. It's not just what you do, he cares about who you are wether you believe it or not

Originally Posted by JCDenton

(THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN BY MAN!,

It was translated by man and written through the word of God

Originally Posted by Nekratal

you ( I am assuming) get most of yours from the bible. If you are fine with someone or something telling you your morals and values, listen to the bible

I wouldn't say exactly that I really believe in the bible, cause i'm not exactly sure about it. I believe in the book of mormon, and the morals I have may be in the scriptures but they would have been my morals anyway whether they were in the scriptures or not. I'm not letting something else tell me what my morals are, that's my decision.

not true, God loves everyone and cares about everyone. It's not just what you do, he cares about who you are wether you believe it or not

Misunderstood what I was saying... They obviously care about you but... Its not who you are that will send you to Hell its what you do that will determine that...

As for the post made by JCDenton(great game btw Dues Ex: Invisible War) saying:

I fully respect people who believe in him and "follow him", but I don't agree with those who follow "standardized" religions blindly and use quotations from the bible to prove those same quotations

Thats my view also... I identify myself as a christian because, I believe what Christ says not Paul! Christ message was as I have been saying over and over again:

1. Love Each Other
2. Treat Those The Way You Want To Be Treated
3. Self-Control is important not to be selfish...

Originally Posted by a_pirates_life_for_me

It was translated by man and written through the word of God

It was written BY man... If it was through the word of god or not, that you can't ever know.

But as I said before, I don't care about whether it is a sin or not... your not really hurting anyone so... who cares...

I don't think it would be a sin. I think LDs can alow you to explore things that you probably wouldn't do in real life. To much of it might not be healthy though. Regardless, I love pwning DCs with any host of firearms.

Originally Posted by luv2dream

ok, first off this isn't something that i'm trying to be too serious about, I'm just curious what people might think, and if you're not religious at all, it's fine if you comment on something, but please no "religion sucks" comments, honestly, from experience, those conversations are a waste of time. Ok so here's the question. You can do whatever you want in a lucid dream right? So if I did something in a dream that people would consider a sin in real life, like raping someone (even though I have no intention of EVER doing that, it's just an example) would you consider it a sin? Even though it's in a dreamworld and you're not really doing it, but you're concious and you're controlling yourself to do it? Just wondering

A sin is any act that hurts anyone else (all religion aside). I think if you take control of your dream and do harmful things to others that is just as bad as if you were to do them in "real life" because I feel the universe has moral laws that should be followed even if they are slightly different from our more mundane ones. We think we are not being watched, but I'm sure every act we do willfully reflects on our personalities and how others will percieve us/determines the people we attract into our lives, etc...