Thread: would it be a sin?

Originally Posted by luv2dream

You keep asking for proof but how is someone else going to prove that to you? You're getting the wrong idea. If you actually care then you should try and find out for yourself. It's not about knowing, even though you think it is. It is about believing which is why a_pirates_life_for_me said that in the first place. It's about believing and having faith. That's like saying "I know what lucid dreaming is but I dont believe in it."

No, he said "actually you CAN know". I were the one saying you can't know... You can believe though.. and I respect that

Originally Posted by a_pirates_life_for_me

Do you think God would be stupid enough to have someone translate and write such a big thing with a bunch of people around with pens and paper and especially people that would do things like that.

You're failing to recognise that that's exactly what did happen to the Bible.

you still dont understand, dont ask me, ask him

[translation]Don't ask me; I have no idea. I'm just going by my gut and what I've been told.[/translation] Which is fine but, you have to make the distinction between that and truly "knowing" (I know, we can never truly know, blah-blah). Facts can be proven (if they are to be considered true facts). Knowing is not necessarily that way. Knowing is simply believing with good reason. What defines good reason, however, is very subjective. This is contrary to proving, which is objective. Scripture is the object of faith and - with the exception of the historical passages that are provable - remains largely unprovable.

Originally Posted by luv2dream

It is about believing which is why a_pirates_life_for_me said that in the first place. It's about believing and having faith.

I agree. The entire discussion is over the fact that a_pirates_life_for_me hasn't clearly defined his terms and is using believing and knowing interchangeably, when they are two separate concepts, albeit somewhat related.

Originally Posted by JCDenton

No, he said "actually you CAN know". I were the one saying you can't know... You can believe though.. and I respect that

True. I think we can all respect that.

I think we all see what he's saying and can probably stop arguing in circles. Or maybe not.

I think the post by iard was very good... also, what do you mean by higher realm dreams?

your quote: You're failing to recognise that that's exactly what did happen to the Bible.

And I suppose that you know this because you were there to see it... or like what everyone wants, you have proof?


your quote:[translation]Don't ask me; I have no idea. I'm just going by my gut and what I've been told.[/translation] Which is fine but, you have to make the distinction between that and truly "knowing"

right, I have no idea about WHY God does the things he does, but I never said I have no idea about if God exists, if the bible is true, etc. etc. and everyone's so focused on KNOWING and having PROOF but you're all failing to realize that you cannot prove these things to anyone but yourself! and I already have. (don't ask me how, just see my previous posts about why I'm not going to get into all that) Religion isn't about KNOWING all the facts, it's about BELIEVING (even though that seems to be something that you're against) which is why it's so hard for people to accept religion; because you need to actually open your mind and TRY to feel something. And there are so many religions out there, that if someone tries one and it doesn't work for them they just give up on all the others. So no one give me crap about "i've tried, nothing happens" or "but you need to KNOW" because that's what my beliefs are about

Originally Posted by JCDenton

As someone has stated, I think religions (and the bible) have been created for power and control because they've been created by man who where seeking their own interests.

WRONG!!!! I am personally revolted by that. Have you even seen the freaking point of religions??!!!??!! It's a guarantee of what HAPPENS WHEN YOU DIE!!! That is the most stupid statement I've ever heard about religions. It's absolutely ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Jimbo9889

Misunderstood what I was saying... They obviously care about you but... Its not who you are that will send you to Hell its what you do that will determine that...

It's not what you do that will determine if you're going to hell or not. I won't explain what determines if you're going to hell or not, because it'd take a little too long for most of you, but that's not true.

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

You can convince but you cannot prove what is unprovable.

Amen!!

Originally Posted by a_pirates_life_for_me

what does that even have to do with what I was saying? . . . . If we didn't have life and trials and misery then how could we really enjoy and appreciate what God has to give us if we return to heaven? He doesn't just let people die. There's a point. Maybe it's their time to die and maybe he needs them for something other than being here on this earth.

That's it. That's the whole point of everything.

"If you can't have faith in what is held up to you for faith, you must find things to believe in yourself, for a life without faith in something is too narrow a space to live." ~George E. Woodberry

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