Thread: would it be a sin?

Wow! What an interesting thread with tons of quotes from the Bible. Very interesting and enlightening.

I'll just add that the nature of God is love as the Bible says that "God is love and they that dwell in love dwell in God, and God in them".

But does God care what someone dreams about? To answer that question put yourself in God's position.

Here you are sitting on top of the universe with a few billion people below you and one of them has a dream where they rape someone in their dream. Do you care what this one person in a few billion dreams about? Probably not, unless they begin carrying out those actions in real life.

Another way to think about this is to think about how you feel about a pet you may own. If your pet who might be a dog goes over and starts humping another dog are you going to tell him he is sinning, and disown him. I doubt it. You're probably going to laugh at him and tell him to behave himself. Are you going to love him any less? Probably not.
I'm sure God probably feels the same way toward us when we do something we shouldn't. He's still there, and he still cares for us. He probably even laughs sometimes at the things we do.

But is having a lucid dream where you rape someone a sin? The main thing to ask yourself is whether your dream is harming someone else, or if it is harming you, and the answer to both of these questions is probably "It depends".

Since the thoughts generated by a persons mind are energies that can be felt by other people, if the person in your dream you are raping happens to be someone you know, they could very possible feel the energy you are creating, which could cause them harm, and which would be wrong.

For the second question Is a person harming themself by producing a dream of this nature? Probably not, unless it becomes a habit and then starts causing the person to act out those fantasies in real life.

When a person becomes lucid in a dream, they have a choice. They can pursue sexual dreams and stay on the lower astral realms in their dreams, or they can pursue more spiritual enlightening dreams and progress upward into the higher astral realms. I prefer the latter, usually, although I have to admit that I have had a couple of sexual encounters in the dream world that were better than anything I've ever experienced in the physical world, and from which I felt very healthy afterwards. So I would not argue against fulfilling ones fantasies while in the dream world.

It is really up to each person to decide how they would like to spend their time when they become lucid, because virtually anything is possible in that realm.

Originally Posted by iadr

Here you are sitting on top of the universe with a few billion people below you and one of them has a dream where they rape someone in their dream. Do you care what this one person in a few billion dreams about? Probably not, unless they begin carrying out those actions in real life.

that is good insight, but dont you think it would be different if it was a lucid dream, and you were conciously making the decisions on your own?

Originally Posted by luv2dream

that is good insight, but dont you think it would be different if it was a lucid dream, and you were conciously making the decisions on your own?

Not really luv2dream. Although in most of my lucid dreams I just become aware that I am dreaming, and then control the dream to do what I want to do, the dream still controls me to a certain extent, as I find myself doing things and sometimes having sex with people that I would never consider having sex with in real life. So although I am controlling the dream to an extent, I am not really using the same conscious mind that I would in waking reality when I make these decisions. Either that or else my reasoning is just different because I know that I am dreaming so don't care what I do.

I see no reason for a person to condemn themself for something they do in a lucid dream, as long as it does not become an obsession that causes them to carry those actions over into real life, as the purpose of dreaming is to allow a person to live out their fantasies.

Although I would never consider raping someone in one of my own dreams, as I am aware enough to feel that anything other than mutual consent would just be wrong, even in a dream, I would not condemn someone else for doing that, as their level of consciousness could be different than mine, and I believe in following the verse that says to not judge others, lest you be judged yourself.

Having great sexual lucid dreams might be one of the best therapies a person can indulge themselves in.

So have a ball and enjoy yourself in your dreams. That's what they're for.

People should spend more time thinking about what kind of great sexual fantasies they can enjoy in their lucid dreams, or even better, what new realms they can soar to while in that state, instead of worrying about if something they do in a lucid dream is a sin or not.

Originally Posted by iadr

I see no reason for a person to condemn themself for something they do in a lucid dream, as long as it does not become an obsession that causes them to carry those actions over into real life, as the purpose of dreaming is to allow a person to live out their fantasies.

I agree with this. When I am lucid I'm never really 100% concious, though I may have had 2 dreams where I was 100% in control. If someone fantisizes about raping someone and carries them out in their lucid dreams to the point where it becomes an obsession... then that will definitely carry over into their physical actions if they allow it to consume their subconcious and concious mind. We think we are in control of our actions, but it's all a result of what we think.



And I don't know why sins have to directly relate to religion. It's just something you do that hurts someone else.