Thread: if LDing is real then what about. . .

Haha, Thanks! it seems we are over it! Gosh, finally. Let's stick with talking about lucid dreaming, something we both beleive in!

Ok, so I'm going to have my first one tonight! But should I try Wild, vild, fild or Mild haha. I'm leaning towards fild. and yes, I've done research...

Originally Posted by Needcatscan

Okay, I gotta get this out of my system...
Shut the Fuck Up!!!!
Okay, I'm better. Really. All smiles now

"I don't want the fame!" "Money means very little to me." "I don't have to prove it to you." "I'm an attention seeking 12-year-old pussy!"

This same old bullshit is being peddled and regurgitated over and over again! No wonder Randi gets so pissed dealing with you people! Either prove it or fuck off!

"You have a world where telekinesis DOES NOT exist. Period. And yet, you're claming that you can do it. . . and you just want to keep it to yourself!???? Like Randi said: If someone can actually prove psychic ability then it is a scientific breakthrough, and (end paraphrase, begin personal opinion) probably the next step in the evolution of man. Isn't that a big deal? Isn't that a good reason to prove you can really do these things instead of hiding away and doing it just for fun? That would be like Isaac Newton only messing around with Calculus and Physics (things that the most of the world could only look at and scratch their heads) for fun and not never show them to the real world. How much sense does that make?

So you can really move things with your mind? Tell someone! Show your damn parents! If they believe you show more people until your the talk of the town and until eventually you become known as the first person to discover Psi and usure in the next stage of human evolution.

Bastard.


By the way, Lucid dreaming rocks!

Ok..I have no way of getting to Randi, and nor do most other psychics like me and Magicdood. We have no way of getting fame either. I showed most of my class. Everybody just got impressed and life went on. No news reporter showed up, nothing. Even if I did want the fame..What would I do to get it? Would I go show a news reporter? No..Those things have been on the news already, and I cant even get to anything like that. If I show a few people, they all talk about it, and we go on. I show somebody else and they just get impressed but it doesnt speread through the whole town and end up on the fucking news. And the wig:

"How is it close minded to not believe in things that don't exist? How about this...I believe in unicorns at the bottom of my coffee. They are also invisible so you can't prove they exist. You don't believe in them do you? WELL FUCK OFF BECAUSE I DO.

See how stupid that is? If you make some huge, unsubstantiated claim, I will call it for what it is - false.

Also, 27, sorry I can't respond to all your posts, my life isn't dedicated to this topic or this forum. I can't be expected to catch every post and respond to it now can I?"

Nobody does that. We never said to fuck off because you dont beleive and we do, we argued with you. Theres nothing wrong with that. You try to convince us by telling us something, we say thats not true and back it up, then we say something and you usually ignore it or say its stupid or unreliable or try to say somehing about it proving it wrong. The last one is ok.

I have seen it happen with my own eyes. I have proved it to myself.

Btw I bet I've had more LD's than all of you.

Randi is an ass and a fraud.
http://psipog.net/art-beware-pseudo-skepticism.html

More than one of us have tried winning this "million dollar challenge". It is impossible, and you would have know that provided you had done your research.


Instead of me telling you if Psychokinesis does or does not exist, i challenge you to make a true effort to learn it, and then come back and say that it is fake with a straight face.

Showing you videos, however, is pointless, due to the fact that you will just find some way to disprove them anyway, even if the reason isn't justified. If you'd like to see some videos anyway, they can be viewed in Psipog.net's media section and UpcOnline.net's media section. Surely the 19,000 + members that joined Psipog before its archiving can't possibly be wrong?

Well, how's that for Back up. :p

But yes, Wig, now that I think about it, that was highly uncalled for. I mean, why do that? Why tell me to fuck off? Cause you can't have a mature debate? Jeez.

Back to lucid dreaming quick before we get in another argument! :p

guys, I don't know if you got the memo, but we're not talking about PK anymore

My back up was late bud! Hehe...

Righto. So again, having a lucid tonight and feeling confident. I'll relate my experiences in the morning. I expect everyone to do the same. haha. Even wig!! :p

Originally Posted by magicdood

Haha, Thanks! it seems we are over it! Gosh, finally. Let's stick with talking about lucid dreaming, something we both beleive in!

Ok, so I'm going to have my first one tonight! But should I try Wild, vild, fild or Mild haha. I'm leaning towards fild. and yes, I've done research...

FILD never really did it for me, honestly WBTB and DILDs are the way to go. Also the DEILD method works wonders for when you come out of an LD and want to launch straight back into it. I can get four or five in a row with this method, but only after getting the first with a DILD with/without WBTB.

I'm trying WBTB/WILD. I first time I did it I was very close but the second, third ECT, failed. Fell asleep. I might try MILD though if I can wake up after a dream.

I don't understand how to do DIld with WBTB. What do you do to have one? Ya know what I'm asking. How do you have one on purpose, or train or whatever...you know what I mean, hehe.

Also, fild got great results so that was why I was thinking of trying it.

Originally Posted by 27

Ok, Wig, how about answering it now for the forth time; What is wrong with believing in PK? What harm can come of it.

Nothing in itself. But what is wrong is putting it forth as fact without an evidence for it. That's what's fundamentally wrong with it.

The problem with TK is that it's observable, which means it can be studied sufficiently to, at the very least, suggest the existence of TK. In reality, there is no good reason why there is *still* a lack of scientific evidence supporting that phenomenon. None at all. It just seems odd that when the sceintific method is applied to TK, the skill seems to vanish.

To reiterate, TK *is not* one of those phenomena that can't be studied or examined by sceince. Believeing such a thing is completely untrue. If someone can move something with their mind, sceintists can setup a controlled situation to study it, and to amount evidence in favor for it if its legitimate TK. Evidence that actually holds up...

And never mind Randi, he is only one person and cannot be blamed for single-handedly keeping TK from being sceintifically legit. What about the other millions of sceintists who would KILL to make that breakthrough, and the hundreds of thousand of TKers worldwide who claim to have the ability? Youd think that at least a handfull of these people would be able to produce some LEGIT evidence that could be DEMONSTRATED under scientific conditions.

I mean, why do you have to do it yourself in order to have proof? Why can't it just be observed under scientific conditions?? If tk is real, and sooo many people can do it, why can't someone somwhere just do it...if only to shut skeptics up?

God knows many of these TKer will argue to no end with skeptics. Why spend time and energy doing that, but not actually proving it?

I dont think its entirely impossible, but at the moment I dont think its real. The whole PSI community is suspect if you ask me. Their goal should be to "enlighten" the sceintific community, not merely to ridicule it for sticking by the sceintific method.

Hmm, should I go post in the "psi abilities, i think not topic?" I mean, it will only get in an argument, so I won't, ahha! Damn, I'll just let out my frustration here :p

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Originally Posted by 27
Ok, Wig, how about answering it now for the forth time; What is wrong with believing in PK? What harm can come of it.

Nothing in itself. But what is wrong is putting it forth as fact without an evidence for it. That's what's fundamentally wrong with it.

Again, so what? What if we are"putting it forth as fact without an evidence for it". Whats the problem? Whats the worst that can happen?

Originally Posted by 27

Again, so what? What if we are"putting it forth as fact without an evidence for it". Whats the problem? Whats the worst that can happen?

Well back in the day they called it the Inquisition. And the Holocaust.

Extreme examples, but the point is claims without fact are always bad.

well, the worst that can happen is that you arent taken seriously. And unless im mistaken, thats the one thing that all supposed TKers seem to be bothered by. They all complain non-stop about how ignorant and closed-minded people are, especially the sceintific community, yet doesn't it seem strange that NO ONE tries to do anything about it? How much sense does that make? They all want to be taken seriously, yet at the same time NONE take serious measures. That doesnt say much for the 19,000 psipog members if you ask me. Either they can't actually pull it off, or all 19,000 are cowards. Oh wait, I mean "too humble and/or wise"

Soooooooo, people believeing in PK will bring about a second Holocaust?

*edit* Ethen, so you think the 19,000 psipog members are all playing make believe and lieing about being able to use PK?

probably not, but it does open the door for people to be taken advantage of because of misinformation.

Originally Posted by 27

Soooooooo, people believeing in PK will bring about a second Holocaust?

*edit* Ethen, so you think the 19,000 psipog members are all playing make believe and lieing about being able to use PK?

I don't believe I ever said that. I said those are examples (and extreme ones). I'm just saying false information IS NEVER GOOD. Why can you not understand that?

Because I still don't have an answer from you about what can happen if one believes in PK. Really, is it worth arguing if you think it's not true?

Originally Posted by 27

*edit* Ethen, so you think the 19,000 psipog members are all playing make believe and lieing about being able to use PK?

Numbers are irrelevent when evidence is absent. Like the saying goes "just because thousands believe doesnt make it true." Tell me, of all of these people, why is there still no evidence? WHY? answer that one question before moving onto another.

There is pleanty of evidence, dude. Look through this whole thread, you'll find links.

DAMNIT. Why are you we the subject ok PK again?! I thought we were over this haha.

Originally Posted by 27

Because I still don't have an answer from you about what can happen if one believes in PK.

I did say this just a second ago.

it does open the door for people to be taken advantage of

and im not talking about videos or testimonials, im talking about credible evidence, scientific evidence. In fact, given the sheer number of videos, youd think someone could repeat their performance in a lab...why hasnt it happened?

Originally Posted by 27

Because I still don't have an answer from you about what can happen if one believes in PK. Really, is it worth arguing if you think it's not true?

Well, I'd imagine the worst is that they'd waste a lot of time doing something that doesn't exist and makes them look like complete retards to others. You want that for your kids? If no, then there's your answer.