Thread: if LDing is real then what about. . .

Sorry magicdood, but as long as they argue their side, I'll argue mine.

Ethen, care to be specific? Say I choose to believe in this stuff, go to psipog, read the articals, and practice them. Whatever the outcome, I don't believe I'm being taken advantage of.

Well, I'd imagine the worst is that they'd waste a lot of time doing something that doesn't exist and makes them look like complete retards to others. You want that for your kids? If no, then there's your answer.

Kid's becoming intrested in something? Oh No! Kids being looked at as strange or "retarded", why, that would never happen without a belief in PK! Thank goodness we have you here to save us from our own stupidity!

The thing is that I have practiced this stuff, so that argument doesn't apply here. And I know you are no doubt going to say "even though you couldn't do it doesnt mean it cant be done" and you are correct, but that is percisely the problem with the whole "do it yourself if you want evidence" argument. There is no actual substance, no empricial data. Its just:
"do it yourself then"
"I tried, it didnt work"
"Then you didnt do it right"
"how convient...got any other proof then"
"..."

And as you must know, ASmattman and his "The best psi wheel video" is proof enough that video's of TK, though entertaining, are far from being anything close to evidence.

Originally Posted by 27

Kid's becoming intrested in something? Oh No! Kids being looked at as strange or "retarded", why, that would never happen without a belief in PK! Thank goodness we have you here to save us from our own stupidity!

Yeah, I'm here to save you and your kids. The point is, kids have enough problems they don't need to be thinking they can be a witch or warlock or anything. This is reality here. People need to come live in it.

I was asking you to be more specific about how one could be taken advantage of.

Ethen, care to be specific? Say I choose to believe in this stuff, go to psipog, read the articals, and practice them. Whatever the outcome, I don't believe I'm being taken advantage of.

Yeah, I'm here to save you and your kids. The point is, kids have enough problems they don't need to be thinking they can be a witch or warlock or anything. This is reality here. People need to come live in it.

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

well, there is always the person who is trying to make money. So book deals, seminars, running free website's but collecting mega add money on the side. Perhaps for fame. Perhaps to just feel important or special. Perhaps just to screw with people for fun/ because they can. Im sure there are more reasons i havent thought of, but you get the point.

Originally Posted by 27

I was asking you to be more specific about how one could be taken advantage of.

I believe I said it? Ridicule. False beliefs in reality. Those are far more than enough.

Again with my example, how am I being taken advantage of? I'm not giving anyone any money. I'm not buying any books, attending any seminars, I highly doubt he's making "mega add money" with the few small ads I saw. I know the creater of the site only by screen names. If it didn't work he'd really have to reason to feel speacial would he? Just to screw with me? Wow, thats a preety bad prank. Taking a few minutes out of my time to try his exersizes, I bet that never got old.

Sorry Wig, I ment that reply to be to ethen.

Originally Posted by 27

Again with my example, how am I being taken advantage of? I'm not giving anyone any money. I'm not buying any books, attending any seminars, I highly doubt he's making "mega add money" with the few small ads I saw. I know the creater of the site only by screen names. If it didn't work he'd really have to reason to feel speacial would he? Just to screw with me? Wow, thats a preety bad prank. Taking a few minutes out of my time to try his exersizes, I bet that never got old.

You do realize those infomercials and psychics make money off unsuspecting people right? People are stupid. Peter Popoff made millions with a radio in his ear. Just because you're not being fooled and taken advantage of, doesn't mean others aren't. And the fact of the matter is they are.

Bang bang. I like this video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0MXTeLBKN8 ) a bit, it's interesting.
I'll stop posting in this thread now
BB

or maybe people just want to believe that there is more to this world than what can be explained.


I dunno.


The point is, regardless of if you are or arent part of some guys evil scheme, why is there the mysterious lack of credible evidence? Its a very important question that deserves an answer. Stop dodging it.

I didn't dodge it man, look at a previouse post of mine. These is evidence. people have been posting links throughout this thread. I'm not going to do the legwork for you, go look for it yourself.

Originally Posted by 27

I didn't dodge it man, look at a previouse post of mine. These is evidence. people have been posting links throughout this thread. I'm not going to do the legwork for you, go look for it yourself.

Burden of proof isn't on us. Either way, all those links are biased.

Everyone is biased! Sorry, can't get around it. Any articals about the existence of PK are going to either be writen by those who strongly believe it or those who strongly apose it.

none of your evidence is recognized by the scientific community. Why?

Originally Posted by 27

God you idiot, everyone is biased! Sorry, can't get around it. Any articals about the existence of PK are going to either be writen by those who strongly believe it or those who strongly apose it.

Those are extremely biased, excuse me. If there's so many psychics out there, it's not hard to prove it. All will prove to be false because they're faking and lying. This isn't hard to understand. Someone would have come forth by now.

Originally Posted by ethen

none of your evidence is recognized by the scientific community. Why?

Fundamental Dynamic Psi is a course aimed to clear up the misconceptions about dynamic psi, and present information to learn to perform it.

Lesson 1
http://forums.vsociety.net/topic/9683.0

Lesson 2
http://forums.vsociety.net/topic/9836.0

Lesson 3
http://forums.vsociety.net/topic/9907.0

Lesson 4
http://forums.vsociety.net/topic/9995.0

Lesson 5
http://forums.vsociety.net/topic/10067.0

Lesson 6
http://forums.vsociety.net/topic/10154.0

I've actually began to noitice that Psi and Lucid are very relevant to each other. Both require time, effort and a good attitude. Also a well focused mind and varies from person to person regarding how long or fast it will take to learn the subject.

Dude there are scientists that believe in PK. There is evidence. Quantum physics is going along way toward proving PK. Someday PK will be as accepted as lucid dreaming is now. For now, it's late, and I want to go to sleep. I'll try to be back on tomarrow.

Originally Posted by 27

Dude there are scientists that believe in PK. There is evidence. Someday PK will be as accepted as lucid dreaming is now. For now, it's late, and I want to go to sleep. I'll try to be back on tomarrow.

Links to these legit scientists please.

I don't see how that answers my question Chaos, and in case you try the ol' of "your ignorant because you wont even try it, thus nothing you say has any merit" fallacy, remember that I have actually tried this (not those six lessons, mind you) and even if i hadn't, my points are still valid. I actually got it to move a few times. But as soon as the glass went over the setup, nada, even after much practice. And since videos of covered psi wheel can and are faked on a regular basis, such examples are moot. And thats my TK experience in a nut shell


Now here's the problem in a nutshell, seeing as its rather difficult to stress this point:

-Thousands of people claim they can perform telekinsis at will.
-Many dedicate their time to promoting and defending TK.
-Of these people, most are bothered by the fact that TK is not recognized as a legitimate phenomenon, especially in the eyes of sceince.
-Thousands of sceintists are willing to test telekinesis under sceintific conditions.
-This situation has been going on for decades
-Though there have been experiments, not one case of TK has ever been validated (or recognized by the sceintific community as being legit).

Its not unreasonable to consider this and be suspicious of TK, and it doesnt help that, even though such a phenomenon is so widespread nowadays, there is still no actual substantiation or validation of TK. Those big numbers aren't helping your case, they are hurting it. As more and more people claim to be able to do TK, the less likely the lack of scientifically sound evidence is due to "oversight".

Dude there are scientists that believe in PK. There is evidence. Quantum physics is going along way toward proving PK. Someday PK will be as accepted as lucid dreaming is now. For now, it's late, and I want to go to sleep. I'll try to be back on tomarrow.

Im not saying its impossible. At one time, germs weren't recognised by sceince either. But only time can tell. And please don't cite "what the bleep", thats movie made a mad-libz out of sceince.

Originally Posted by 27

Dude there are scientists that believe in PK. There is evidence.

Source, please.

Quantum physics is going along way toward proving PK.

Spoken like someone who does not really understand the concept of Quantum Physics. I am moderately well-versed on the subject and can tell you that this is a misconception.

Honestly, I never understood how people could find Lucid Dreaming even the least bit unbelievable or put it with telekinesis and whatnot. I mean, I immediately understood and accepted LDing as fact becuase it made sense to me.

My thought process goes something like this.
1. I have had "accidental" [not induced] LDs, so it IS possible.
2. Reality Checking allows one to determine what is real and what isn't.
3. Therefore, by using RCs, you can determine when you are dreaming, and thus gain lucidity.

I simply thought that and believed it without a second thought. I think the majority of people have had some experience with Lucidity, most likely accidental. I don't tend to believe in Psi and whatnot simply because I've had no experience with it. Then again, I've never tried.