Thread: if LDing is real then what about. . .

I didn't dodge it man, look at a previouse post of mine. These is evidence. people have been posting links throughout this thread. I'm not going to do the legwork for you, go look for it yourself.

Originally Posted by 27

I didn't dodge it man, look at a previouse post of mine. These is evidence. people have been posting links throughout this thread. I'm not going to do the legwork for you, go look for it yourself.

Burden of proof isn't on us. Either way, all those links are biased.

Everyone is biased! Sorry, can't get around it. Any articals about the existence of PK are going to either be writen by those who strongly believe it or those who strongly apose it.

Originally Posted by 27

God you idiot, everyone is biased! Sorry, can't get around it. Any articals about the existence of PK are going to either be writen by those who strongly believe it or those who strongly apose it.

Those are extremely biased, excuse me. If there's so many psychics out there, it's not hard to prove it. All will prove to be false because they're faking and lying. This isn't hard to understand. Someone would have come forth by now.

none of your evidence is recognized by the scientific community. Why?

Originally Posted by ethen

none of your evidence is recognized by the scientific community. Why?

Fundamental Dynamic Psi is a course aimed to clear up the misconceptions about dynamic psi, and present information to learn to perform it.

Lesson 1
http://forums.vsociety.net/topic/9683.0

Lesson 2
http://forums.vsociety.net/topic/9836.0

Lesson 3
http://forums.vsociety.net/topic/9907.0

Lesson 4
http://forums.vsociety.net/topic/9995.0

Lesson 5
http://forums.vsociety.net/topic/10067.0

Lesson 6
http://forums.vsociety.net/topic/10154.0

I've actually began to noitice that Psi and Lucid are very relevant to each other. Both require time, effort and a good attitude. Also a well focused mind and varies from person to person regarding how long or fast it will take to learn the subject.

Dude there are scientists that believe in PK. There is evidence. Quantum physics is going along way toward proving PK. Someday PK will be as accepted as lucid dreaming is now. For now, it's late, and I want to go to sleep. I'll try to be back on tomarrow.

Originally Posted by 27

Dude there are scientists that believe in PK. There is evidence. Someday PK will be as accepted as lucid dreaming is now. For now, it's late, and I want to go to sleep. I'll try to be back on tomarrow.

Links to these legit scientists please.

I don't see how that answers my question Chaos, and in case you try the ol' of "your ignorant because you wont even try it, thus nothing you say has any merit" fallacy, remember that I have actually tried this (not those six lessons, mind you) and even if i hadn't, my points are still valid. I actually got it to move a few times. But as soon as the glass went over the setup, nada, even after much practice. And since videos of covered psi wheel can and are faked on a regular basis, such examples are moot. And thats my TK experience in a nut shell


Now here's the problem in a nutshell, seeing as its rather difficult to stress this point:

-Thousands of people claim they can perform telekinsis at will.
-Many dedicate their time to promoting and defending TK.
-Of these people, most are bothered by the fact that TK is not recognized as a legitimate phenomenon, especially in the eyes of sceince.
-Thousands of sceintists are willing to test telekinesis under sceintific conditions.
-This situation has been going on for decades
-Though there have been experiments, not one case of TK has ever been validated (or recognized by the sceintific community as being legit).

Its not unreasonable to consider this and be suspicious of TK, and it doesnt help that, even though such a phenomenon is so widespread nowadays, there is still no actual substantiation or validation of TK. Those big numbers aren't helping your case, they are hurting it. As more and more people claim to be able to do TK, the less likely the lack of scientifically sound evidence is due to "oversight".

Dude there are scientists that believe in PK. There is evidence. Quantum physics is going along way toward proving PK. Someday PK will be as accepted as lucid dreaming is now. For now, it's late, and I want to go to sleep. I'll try to be back on tomarrow.

Im not saying its impossible. At one time, germs weren't recognised by sceince either. But only time can tell. And please don't cite "what the bleep", thats movie made a mad-libz out of sceince.

Originally Posted by ethen

I don't see how that answers my question Chaos, and in case you try the ol' of "your ignorant because you wont even try it, thus nothing you say has any merit" fallacy, remember that I have actually tried this (not those six lessons, mind you) and even if i hadn't, my points are still valid. I actually got it to move a few times. But as soon as the glass went over the setup, nada, even after much practice. And since videos of covered psi wheel can and are faked on a regular basis, such examples are moot. And thats my TK experience in a nut shell


Now here's the problem in a nutshell, seeing as its rather difficult to stress this point:

-Thousands of people claim they can perform telekinsis at will.
-Many dedicate their time to promoting and defending TK.
-Of these people, most are bothered by the fact that TK is not recognized as a legitimate phenomenon, especially in the eyes of sceince.
-Thousands of sceintists are willing to test telekinesis under sceintific conditions.
-This situation has been going on for decades
-Though there have been experiments, not one case of TK has ever been validated (or recognized by the sceintific community as being legit).

Its not unreasonable to consider this and be suspicious of TK, and it doesnt help that, even though such a phenomenon is so widespread nowadays, there is still no actual substantiation or validation of TK. Those big numbers aren't helping your case, they are hurting it. As more and more people claim to be able to do TK, the less likely the lack of scientifically sound evidence is due to "oversight".



Im not saying its impossible. At one time, germs weren't recognised by sceince either. But only time can tell. And please don't cite "what the bleep", thats movie made a mad-libz out of sceince.

I've never stated that you were ignorant nor do I call anyone by that even if they do not try it. I simply say say believe what you want. To tell you the truth I had a hard time learning Psi myself. In fact I used to practice it a few years ago. I began to gain interest as I became more skilled with it but to my dismay from a short week break I lost everythat that I had done so just quit.

And the Wig what is the matter with that?

Actually the Energy ball is part of traditional Ki excercise and usually not used in martial arts.

And to the oblivious one who stated something about Anime, I suggest looking up the term as I have said in previous posts, Rad ki. That is the Anime form of the Traditional Chi excercises ( Which of course you probably know nothing about considering you brought up anime. )

Originally Posted by 27

Dude there are scientists that believe in PK. There is evidence.

Source, please.

Quantum physics is going along way toward proving PK.

Spoken like someone who does not really understand the concept of Quantum Physics. I am moderately well-versed on the subject and can tell you that this is a misconception.

Honestly, I never understood how people could find Lucid Dreaming even the least bit unbelievable or put it with telekinesis and whatnot. I mean, I immediately understood and accepted LDing as fact becuase it made sense to me.

My thought process goes something like this.
1. I have had "accidental" [not induced] LDs, so it IS possible.
2. Reality Checking allows one to determine what is real and what isn't.
3. Therefore, by using RCs, you can determine when you are dreaming, and thus gain lucidity.

I simply thought that and believed it without a second thought. I think the majority of people have had some experience with Lucidity, most likely accidental. I don't tend to believe in Psi and whatnot simply because I've had no experience with it. Then again, I've never tried.

Originally Posted by TaNK

Honestly, I never understood how people could find Lucid Dreaming even the least bit unbelievable or put it with telekinesis and whatnot. I mean, I immediately understood and accepted LDing as fact becuase it made sense to me.

I agree. When I first heard of it, it instantly made sense. Your dream is just your imagination, and your imagination potentialy has no limit.

Of course in this sense, LD is exactly like telekinesis... both are products of the imagination.

So wait, you practiced Pk. And how long? With what method?

Also, how does wind or heat have to do with sliding foil or rolling a can...with no hands up. Explain that to me..

Furthermore, this is ridiculously. I know that this has already been posted, but can I please re-post it. Nina Kuglagina. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...lagina&spell=1

She worked under strict scientific surroundings, and had body measurements showedsomething was going on. The scientist found no illegitimate workings.

"Thousands of sceintists are willing to test telekinesis under sceintific conditions." Really, gimme a link to some that are. And don't let it be Randi. Gimme some sources.

Also, I'm sick of you guys using this damn argument. Most of us don't want fame. We don't want any conflict. It would just leave some believing and some not believing and it wouldn't be good. Furthermore, it's usually the people that don't want fame that progress, cause they are patient and are doing this for a better reason than fame.

And how about this. Maybe, just maybe, pk is an ability performed on another dimension. But, what happens there happens here, it just looks like nothing happened. So, therefore science would not be able to test it cause it isn't on the physical dimension. So...lack of scientific evidence? Of course, it might be untestable. And also, I believe fully in what Mocari said. We see what we believe we should see.

So I might levitate a pencil in front of you, but you would just see it laying on the ground cause you can't comprehend that possibility. Sounds pretty reasonable of a theory to me.

Also, why are we still arguing? I just rolled a can not to long ago...no hands up. So, I mean, what exactly are you trying to tell me? That pk isn't real? Well that's fine, you can tell me till pigs fly cause it's not affecting me any. So for you to tell me it's not real is hilarious..However I know that you won't believe that but it's fine. 19,000 people claiming to do it should be enough.

Who would spend the time creating these sites and methods and stuff, for nothing? Why?