Thread: if LDing is real then what about. . .

Oh yes it is. Matter is most certainly made up of energy. Atoms are energy...well space..and energy to clarify. Yes, we are energy. Do some research there bud.

Originally Posted by magicdood

Oh yes it is. Matter is most certainly made up of energy. Atoms are energy...well space..and energy to clarify. Yes, we are energy. Do some research there bud.

Support your claim or don't bother posting it. I've supported mine yet you are steadfast in just either in posting (thusfar) unsubstantiated claims.

Holy crap, 230 posts in two days? and counting? I'll confess right up front that I did not read anything but the first two posts. I'll comment on them.

Originally Posted by Needcatscan

That's where LDing comes in: "waking up in your dream? That's called being awake!"

What do you guys think?

While "awake in one's dreams" makes an attractive marketing slogan, it's somewhat of a misnomer. Lucid dreaming is being conscious of the reality that one is dreaming during the dream state. Being awake means to not be asleep.

As most people are aware, you can be wide awake yet not be conscious of what's going on around you. So "conscious" and "awake" are not the same thing and shouldn't be confused with each other. They often go hand and hand but they are different.

Originally Posted by Marvo

Lucid-dreaming is not to be awake when you sleep, but to be aware when you dream.

The difference? I can say, that I'm always aware when I dream, I'm in complete control of my dream-body, I just rarely realise that I'm in a dream. Point being, if you can think you are awake in a dream (which we do most of them time), then can't you also think that you're dreaming?

Unlike stuff like telekenisis and all that other stuff, the science and explenations behind lucid dreaming makes perfect sense.

Just a nod of agreement. Dreaming is another state of awareness, that's all. Awareness is a higher form of consciousness.

Actually both Japanese and Chinese beliefs state that " The human body has an energy known as " Chi, Qi, or Ki ".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi

If you go down further you will also see some martial arts it is used in.

Yep...martial arts use Chi and make energy balls all the time. It's an easy practice, used a lot of the time as is just considered normal.

It's all making sense to me now. I didn't realize we were talking about anime.

Originally Posted by Chaos Theory

Actually both Japanese and Chinese beliefs state that " The human body has an energy known as " Chi, Qi, or Ki ".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi

If you go down further you will also see some martial arts it is used in.

There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin.

Haha Skysaw. Pretty clever..

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

Holy crap, 230 posts in two days? and counting? I'll confess right up front that I did not read anything but the first two posts. I'll comment on them.


While "awake in one's dreams" makes an attractive marketing slogan, it's somewhat of a misnomer. Lucid dreaming is being conscious of the reality that one is dreaming during the dream state. Being awake means to not be asleep.

As most people are aware, you can be wide awake yet not be conscious of what's going on around you. So "conscious" and "awake" are not the same thing and shouldn't be confused with each other. They often go hand and hand but they are different.


Just a nod of agreement. Dreaming is another state of awareness, that's all. Awareness is a higher form of consciousness.

Okay, getting tired of people saying "you don't wake up in your dream, you're just aware your dreaming". Yeah, thanks guys, I do know what LDing is. My point is when you explain it to other people, in my case, most of them don't understand just "you are aware you're dreaming." You have to be more extreme before they really grasp what LDing is, hence why I put it that way.

And as far as the the rest of it goes, The Wig and MagicDood, you guys wanna get a room and duke it out?

Almost 250 posts in two days, dude, I rule!

Originally Posted by Needcatscan

Okay, getting tired of people saying "you don't wake up in your dream, you're just aware your dreaming". Yeah, thanks guys, I do know what LDing is.

Well ok then

Ugh matter is just a term. Energy goes deeper then that.


"Subatomic particles are simply energy packets. You are a cluster of energy, so is everything else. A cluster of energy is always in motion, moving and changing to form new configuration at every moment. The table that is in your dining room is not as solid as it appears to be. On a highly magnified level, you would realize that it is in constant flux, “losing” and “gaining” billions of energy packets, but intelligently maintaining the overall “look” of a table. There is a consciousness that keeps the energy in that particular form."

I'm sorry if the schools you have been to have only discussed matter in terms of what makes a body.

Originally Posted by TheUniversalOne

Ugh matter is just a term. Energy goes deeper then that.


"Subatomic particles are simply energy packets. You are a cluster of energy, so is everything else. A cluster of energy is always in motion, moving and changing to form new configuration at every moment. The table that is in your dining room is not as solid as it appears to be. On a highly magnified level, you would realize that it is in constant flux, “losing” and “gaining” billions of energy packets, but intelligently maintaining the overall “look” of a table. There is a consciousness that keeps the energy in that particular form."

I'm sorry if the schools you have been to have only discussed matter in terms of what makes a body.

Energy is just a term if you wanna go that far.

There is no consciousness in energy. That's foolish. Molecules are stuck together and the "energy" as you put it (matter) is confined to the space where it is placed.

Originally Posted by magicdood

Oh yes it is. Matter is most certainly made up of energy. Atoms are energy...well space..and energy to clarify. Yes, we are energy. Do some research there bud.

Maybe a late reply but:

Scientists around the world just WISH that that were true. But it isn't. The fact that matter ISN'T energy is one of the hardest problems in physics, once which facilitates exotic theories such as the idea of the massive Higgs boson in order to explain mass.

Matter and energy are indeed convertable both ways, but this doesn't mean they are the same. Easy mistake to make, I don't think you're stupid for it. But it is a mistake nonetheless.

I really don't see how this got into a discussion whether mass and energy are interchangeable and what not.. All things are made up from strings that vibrate. And there is a TOE!!

Originally Posted by Identity X

Maybe a late reply but:

Scientists around the world just WISH that that were true. But it isn't. The fact that matter ISN'T energy is one of the hardest problems in physics, once which facilitates exotic theories such as the idea of the massive Higgs boson in order to explain mass.

Matter and energy are indeed convertable both ways, but this doesn't mean they are the same. Easy mistake to make, I don't think you're stupid for it. But it is a mistake nonetheless.

I've been saying this since he brought it up, he's not going to get it. His psychic powers are getting in the way

Also, I'm glad some other people came in here with some scientific backing for why matter is not energy. Maybe it will help.